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Old 08-10-2006, 02:34 PM    (permalink
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Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith
No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.
the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll
Roy Williams can atleast cover a little bit, and he's a playmaker. Bob Sanders cant cover to save his life and he has no playmaking skills, at all.
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Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith
No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.
the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll
Roy Williams can atleast cover a little bit, and he's a playmaker. BoB Sanders cant cover to save his life and he has no playmaking skills, at all.
thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders
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thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders
He's a playmaker? That's why he had 1 INT, 1 FF and 4 PDEF last year? Those are the stats of a playmaker?

Roy Williams had 3 sacks, 3 FF and 3 INTs and 10 PDEF last year...and he did that as an in-the-box safety.

And coverage isn't that important? Is that some sort of joke? The safeties are there to watch the CBs back, they also have to cover slot receivers and TE's all the time...of course, Bob Sanders is WAY too short to cover a tight end.
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thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders
He's a playmaker? That's why he had 1 INT, 1 FF and 4 PDEF last year? Those are the stats of a playmaker?

Roy Williams had 3 sacks, 3 FF and 3 INTs and 10 PDEF last year...and he did that as an in-the-box safety.

And coverage isn't that important? Is that some sort of joke? The safeties are there to watch the CBs back, they also have to cover slot receivers and TE's all the time...of course, Bob Sanders is WAY too short to cover a tight end.
coverage is important people make too big of a deal out of how important it actually is. Roy williams is a great safety but people attack him for being bad in coverage and say he isnt on par with the best in the league. Same with Dwight Freeney and his runstopping. hes the 2nd best DE in the nfl but people say hes not b/c of his run stopping ability. I get tired of hearing that crap, they're great players.

A playmaker is a player who can swing the momentum of a game. Sanders can do that with his big hits.
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Saying coverage isn't that important for a free safety is pretty much ridiculous.
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Saying coverage isn't that important for a free safety is pretty much ridiculous.
ARE YOU ******* ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND
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ARE YOU *********** ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND
You do know that free safety's are out there to cover WR's and TE's...right? That's what they do. Hitting and run support are secondary. It is more important that you can cover, and Bob Sanders cannot cover.
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ARE YOU *********** ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND
You do know that free safety's are out there to cover WR's and TE's...right? That's what they do. Hitting and run support are secondary. It is more important that you can cover, and Bob Sanders cannot cover.
ok you're an idiot. i said it was important and Sanders can cover, hes not great but hes adequate. Sanders is small but fits the Cover 2 perfectly and plays a lot taller than he is
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ok you're an idiot.
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Once the arguement resorts to namecalling, it's over.
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great comeback to my actual post :roll:
Once the arguement resorts to namecalling, it's over.
or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.
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To further prove that this laughable travesty is nothing but a joke, the 2005 AP All-Pro at the FS position was not included in the poll, while scrubs were.
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or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.
If you want to see the backing to my point, go look at the Colts pass defense last year, and then go look at Bob Sanders stats. The Colts allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, that's the worst in the entire NFL, and Bob Sanders is part of that. He doesn't pick off passes and he doesn't knock passes down.
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or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.
If you want to see the backing to my point, go look at the Colts pass defense last year, and then go look at Bob Sanders stats. The Colts allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, that's the worst in the entire NFL, and Bob Sanders is part of that. He doesn't pick off passes and he doesn't knock passes down.
You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?
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You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?
Of course it's not all Bob Sanders, but he obviously is not helping with his poor coverage skills, and his stats show that.

And he made the pro-bowl and the AP All-pro team for the same reason Vick was voted to the pro-bowl, he's OVERRATED.
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You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?
Of course it's not all Bob Sanders, but he obviously is not helping with his poor coverage skills, and his stats show that.

And he made the pro-bowl and the AP All-pro team for the same reason Vick was voted to the pro-bowl, he's OVERRATED.
Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him
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Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him
Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.

And Vick didn't have the stats OR the wins to make the pro-bowl last year.
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Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him
Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.
So in other words, despite the fact that most people can plainly see the fact that Sanders had a very large impact on a vastly improved defense, and recognize this fact with accolades and awards, you're just going to continue to claim he's underrated because you think he's not the best coverage S? So is your best QB of all-time Matt Hasselbeck? After all, you don't use fact or logic in your arguments, just your opinion.
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Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him
Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.

And Vick didn't have the stats OR the wins to make the pro-bowl last year.
Actually the majority of people would say Bob Sanders is a top 10 NFL Safety. Just b/c people say that someone is better than you say they are doesnt make that player overrated. and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.
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So in other words, despite the fact that most people can plainly see the fact that Sanders had a very large impact on a vastly improved defense, and recognize this fact with accolades and awards, you're just going to continue to claim he's underrated because you think he's not the best coverage S? So is your best QB of all-time Matt Hasselbeck? After all, you don't use fact or logic in your arguments, just your opinion.
No, I'm going to claim he's overrated, because he doesn't deserve those awards, because he's one of the worst coverage FS's in the NFL.

And the Colts defense still sucked last year, the only reason they were ranked high is because they had the 5th fewest plays against them, but they allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, and average 4.4 yards per carry against them.

Hasselbeck is the 4th best QB in the NFL.
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and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.

Ken Hamlin can cover WAY better than Sanders, he is pretty close when it coems to hitting, and he's one of the best run-support safeties in the NFL. He's definately a more complete package than Bob Sanders.
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Originally Posted by cardsalltheway
and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.
Ken Hamlin can cover WAY better than Sanders, he is pretty close when it coems to hitting, and he's one of the best run-support safeties in the NFL. He's definately a more complete package than Bob Sanders.
this guy needs a custom title immediately
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