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Old 08-10-2006, 08:45 PM    (permalink
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How is DeAngelo Hall not a top-10 corner? Can you prove he isn't, or our you just spouting off your opinion as fact? I tend to think the latter..
1. I can name 10 corners who are better
2. People tend to look at his "performance" against TO as what made him elite. Last time i checked giving up 112 yards isnt impressive its pathetic.
dont u mean u can anme 10 corners because there arent 10 corners who are better
Champ Bailey
Ken Lucas
Terence Newman
Nate Clements
Chris McAlister
Dunta Robinson
Antrell Rolle
Rashean Mathis
Patrick Surtain
Ty Law
Ronde Barber
Sheldon Brown
Ike Taylor
Leigh Boldon
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Champ Bailey
Ken Lucas
Terence Newman
Nate Clements
Chris McAlister
Dunta Robinson
Antrell Rolle
Rashean Mathis
Patrick Surtain
Ty Law
Ronde Barber
Sheldon Brown
Ike Taylor
Leigh Boldon
Antrell Rolle? That's a joke right? He got burned constantly as a rookie...he certainly has potential, but he has to show it on the field first. Some of the other ones are ridiculous too, but that one especially.
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Champ Bailey
Ken Lucas
Terence Newman
Nate Clements
Chris McAlister
Dunta Robinson
Antrell Rolle
Rashean Mathis
Patrick Surtain
Ty Law
Ronde Barber
Sheldon Brown
Ike Taylor
Leigh Boldon

That list is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
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Yea, that list is pretty laughable.
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He couldn't even spell Leigh Bodden's name correctly, but he's still better than DeAngelo Hall.
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Yea, that list is pretty laughable.
Which names?
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Yea, that list is pretty laughable.
Which names?
All of them but Bailey and Lucas, because they are the only ones in his class. McAlister and Clements are top guys, but not with Hall, Mathis is as well. Ty Law, Ike Taylor, Leigh Bodden (who you can't even spell) aren't anywhere near top CBs.
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Yea, that list is pretty laughable.
Which names?
All of them but Bailey and Lucas, because they are the only ones in his class. McAlister and Clements are top guys, but not with Hall, Mathis is as well. Ty Law, Ike Taylor, Leigh Bodden (who you can't even spell) aren't anywhere near top CBs.
What makes you think that Hall has proven himself on the level of Bailey, Lucas, Newman, etc.
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Lucas should have won this hands down.. WHat is wrong with the voters on this site??? :evil: It's like a GD popularity contest. Champ bailey is alot of hype. He gets beat a lot for an Elite Shutdown Corner..

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Yea, that list is pretty laughable.
Which names?
All of them but Bailey and Lucas, because they are the only ones in his class. McAlister and Clements are top guys, but not with Hall, Mathis is as well. Ty Law, Ike Taylor, Leigh Bodden (who you can't even spell) aren't anywhere near top CBs.
What makes you think that Hall has proven himself on the level of Bailey, Lucas, Newman, etc.
*Noticed how you slyly threw Newman in there :roll: *
Considering he didnt give up one TD all last year and put up better numbers than Hall against the same recievers they faced, yes he is clearly a better CB.
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Where do you get that Newman didn't give up a touchdown? Keenan McCardell put up 123 yards and 2 touchdowns on opening day.
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Where do you get that Newman didn't give up a touchdown? Keenan McCardell put up 123 yards and 2 touchdowns on opening day.
On Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn, watch the games.
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It is a fact that Newman didn't give up a TD last year, but when you run zone most of the time the safety gets beat for TDs, not the CB. I agree Newman is a top 10 CB, but Hall is the best CB in this league. Stop being a homer and realize Newman isn't god.

Also Champ got beat twice last year when he had a bad shoulder and a bad hamstring. That isn't getting beat a lot.
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It is a fact that Newman didn't give up a TD last year, but when you run zone most of the time the safety gets beat for TDs, not the CB. I agree Newman is a top 10 CB, but Hall is the best CB in this league. Stop being a homer and realize Newman isn't god.

Also Champ got beat twice last year when he had a bad shoulder and a bad hamstring. That isn't getting beat a lot.
1. When did I say Newman was the best corner n the league? All i said was that he was beter than Hall how is that being a homer?

2. You say Hall is the best CB in the league and you haavent provided one piece of evidence so far.

3. When did i say Bailey got beat a lot. I have always said he is the best corner in the league BY FAR.

Stop putting ridiculous statements in my mouth because you cant defend your position.
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Ever thing I was responding to someone other than you? :?
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Ever thing I was responding to someone other than you? :?
The newman statements are directly stated to me since no one else has mentioned his name positively. You call me a homer for saying Newman is a top 10 corner and backing it up with facts while you call Hall the top corner in the league with no defense. Does that not make you a bigger homer?
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Newman shut down Eric Parker, while McCardell tore through the defense, how impressive. :roll:

Joey Galloway - 2 Catches versus Hall in two games
Terrell Owens - 5 Catches on 17 Attempts, 29%, while he averages catching 51% of the passes thrown his way.
Chris Chambers - Held to to 3 catches, after this game Chambers was a manimal.
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Ever thing I was responding to someone other than you? :?
The newman statements are directly stated to me since no one else has mentioned his name positively. You call me a homer for saying Newman is a top 10 corner and backing it up with facts while you call Hall the top corner in the league with no defense. Does that not make you a bigger homer?
I didn't call you a homer for saying Newman is a top 10 CB, I agreed with you, but he is not a top 3 CB like you are saying.
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Newman shut down Eric Parker, while McCardell tore through the defense, how impressive. :roll:

Joey Galloway - 2 Catches versus Hall in two games
Terrell Owens - 5 Catches on 17 Attempts, 29%, while he averages catching 51% of the passes thrown his way.
Chris Chambers - Held to to 3 catches, after this game Chambers was a manimal.
Darrell Jackson owned hall though.
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This is obviously Bailey. I like Rashean, but he doesnt come close to Bailey. Lucas and Gamble aren't as good as Bailey either.
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Joey Galloway - 2 Catches versus Hall in two games
Terrell Owens - 5 Catches on 17 Attempts, 29%, while he averages catching 51% of the passes thrown his way.
Chris Chambers - Held to to 3 catches, after this game Chambers was a manimal.
Newman Stats

Terrel Owens - 5 catches 50 yards
Randy Moss - 3 catches 44 yards
Steve Smith - 1 catch 18 yards
Larry Fitzgerald - 4 catches 36 yards
Torry Holt - 4 catches 40 yards
Ashley Lelie - 0 Catches 0 yards
Amani Toomer game 1 - 2 catchess 11 yards
Amani Toomer game 2 - 1 catch 8 yards
Reggie Brown - 3 catches 15 yards
Roy Williams - 5 catches 72 yards
Eddie Kennison - 3 catches 45 yards

Total Touchdowns given up = ZERO
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Newman is a very good corner, no one's debating that one. Hall vs Newman is debatable. Even if I give you the win, that Newman played better last year;

Nate Clements
Dunta Robinson
Antrell Rolle
Rashean Mathis
Patrick Surtain
Ty Law
Ike Taylor
Leigh Bodden

Are not as good as Hall. Especially considering that Hall has only played 1 1/2 season, as a starter. He'll be the best, this time next year.
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Newman is a very good corner, no one's debating that one. Hall vs Newman is debatable. Even if I give you the win, that Newman played better last year;

Nate Clements
Dunta Robinson
Antrell Rolle
Rashean Mathis
Patrick Surtain
Ty Law
Ike Taylor
Leigh Bodden

Are not as good as Hall. Especially considering that Hall has only played 1 1/2 season, as a starter. He'll be the best, this time next year.
He's still young and improving I'll give Hall fans that much. He has the potential to be top 5 and possibly #1 corner in the league but right now he is around 10th. To be 10th best in your 3rd year is an accomplishment to be proud of. Currently, Clements, Surtain, and Dunta are elite while I can see why you take Hall ahead of the other corners.
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- Clements had an awful year last year. He let his contract get in the way of his play.

- What has Robinson done that Hall hasn't? He gets burned more than Hall too.

- I live in Kansas City, Surtain is not that good anymore. He's not elite anymore, like I said, back in 2003...
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