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Old 09-22-2006, 01:34 PM    (permalink
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I guess '02-'03 could be considered "it," those were his only double digit sack seasons. Which considering that Peppers is acrossed from him, isn't that impressive.
Well sacks don't directly relate to performance. We are talking about the Bears as a top 5 DL aren't we? I'm pretty sure there were at least 5 teams who's DL recorded more sacks last year, and this year too. Yet, the Bears still have one of, if not, the best DL in football despite the sack numbers. Rucker was always a pretty good DE, never elite, but pretty good.
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I guess '02-'03 could be considered "it," those were his only double digit sack seasons. Which considering that Peppers is acrossed from him, isn't that impressive.
Well sacks don't directly relate to performance. We are talking about the Bears as a top 5 DL aren't we? I'm pretty sure there were at least 5 teams who's DL recorded more sacks last year, and this year too. Yet, the Bears still have one of, if not, the best DL in football despite the sack numbers. Rucker was always a pretty good DE, never elite, but pretty good.
The Bears D-Line probably gets 95% of their sacks though because they almost never blitz their linebackers (except for Urlacher from time to time). Look at the Lions game just last week. 6 sacks. All of them from the D-line.

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I guess '02-'03 could be considered "it," those were his only double digit sack seasons. Which considering that Peppers is acrossed from him, isn't that impressive.
Well sacks don't directly relate to performance. We are talking about the Bears as a top 5 DL aren't we? I'm pretty sure there were at least 5 teams who's DL recorded more sacks last year, and this year too. Yet, the Bears still have one of, if not, the best DL in football despite the sack numbers. Rucker was always a pretty good DE, never elite, but pretty good.

When your across from the best DE in football, sacks do relate to performance because your facing no double teams.
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While the Panthers line is really good I think the Jaguars is better, esspecially if they have Hayward. The Ravens line is very good as well with big guys in the middle and alot of guys that can rush the passer on the ends.
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No love for the Ravens eh? I guess I stand alone in my reasoning.
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I said the Bears before the season started and I still say Bears. When we have a player that isn't even active on gameday that the Bills wanted to sign as their starter, that says something. The Ravens? Why? I know you don't like the cover 2 BBD but I don't get that at all. The Ravens D-line is probably the weakest part of their defense.

A case could be made for the Jags but they don't get much pressure from the ends, especially now that Heyward is down for the year.



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No love for the Ravens eh? I guess I stand alone in my reasoning.
You make some good points, but the Ravens dline isn't that great at rushing the passer. Suggs (and AD when he lines up there) is the only real pass rusher on that line.
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No love for the Ravens eh? I guess I stand alone in my reasoning.
i say ravens

Suggs - 2 FF / 2 SACKS / 1 FR

Gregs 1 FF / 2 FR

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No love for the Ravens eh? I guess I stand alone in my reasoning.
i say ravens

Suggs - 2 FF / 2 SACKS / 1 FR

Gregs 1 FF / 2 FR

Pryce - 1 Sack

Nqata - 1 INT

1 INT / 3 SACKS / 3 FR / 3 FF

They padded those stats a bit, facing off against two of the worst O-Lines in football.
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No way.

I'd take the Bears D-line in a heartbeat.
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To be honest, you can't include Hayward in this discussion, because this is all about right now. Rob Meier has been a very good situational DT, and is now starting at LE, which he has done before. Although he's a good player, he isn't Reggie Hayward. He's probably better against the run, but pass-rushing is most likely lesser. Not only that, he's not an every-down guy like Reggie is. On third down he's replaced by guys like Bobby McCray and Brent Hawkins. He also shares time with Marcellus Wiley. Rob Meier is also often moved inside on third-downs, replacing both Henderson and Stroud at times.
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The Bears D-Line is what makes their defense. It allows their coordinator to put everyone back into coverage, while still effective at getting to the QB. Unlike other Tampa 2 teams, they have so much depth on the D-Line they don't wear down against the run either.
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No Vikings on this poll? Are you guys all high? pav wouldnt be happy.
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The Vikings could be in the debate, if it was solely interior D-Line. They dont have the DEs these other defenses have.
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The Vikings could be in the debate, if it was solely interior D-Line. They dont have the DEs these other defenses have.
Yeah I know, I was being sarcastic . IMO, the Bears or Jags have the best when healthy. But without Hayward, ive gotta go with the Bears.
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overall I like the Bears

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I think the Ravens have a top one, perhaps #1 due to the versatility of it. But the think I like is that the dline is probably the weakest part of the Ravens defense.
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I'm going to say no...

Next year with Peppers, Jenkins and Maake having a year back/in the system and Rucker we'll be the best. This year, Jenkins and Kemoeatu aint up to scratch just yet. That said, we're probably the deepest at defensive tackle in the NFL. Kemo and Jenk could arguably start on any team (except perhaps JAX) and then we've got carstens and Lewis. Who've made their prescence felt early this year. Especially carstens who took Hutchinson to school last week on two plays.
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I would go with Atlanta.
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No. When healthy its the Jaguars. There is no better, and dominate Defensive Tackle Duo than Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. Add Reggie Hayward and Paul Spicer, there you have it.
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It's gotta be the Bu... oh, why even bother?
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I think its still the Panthers but the Falcons are a close second
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when healthy, the front 4 of ATL is very scary....now thats just starters, like BBD said if depth is taken into account it almost HAS to be chicago because they can sub and their backups could start on alot of teams, and it keeps the starters fresh which is even better....

but abraham and kerney on the ends with grady in the middle is your ideal line, definately better then baltimore to me, and close with chicago because tommie harris is a top 4 DT in the NFL right now

1. Jenkins
2. Stroud
3. Henderson
4. Harris


after that shaun rodgers, casey hampton, and others come to mind, but i think those are the 4 top DT right now


but ATL possesses one of the top DE's, and another a top 10, with big Grady clogging up holes for the run game, and i like that mix
Cough Shaun Rogers Cough....
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Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.
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