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Old 10-03-2006, 11:05 PM    (permalink
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Goddamn stop it with all this "Bears SuperBowl Bound" crap...We're 4-0, whoopdy ******* doo....I love our team and what we've done so far. But my god, all the sudden we're "SuperBowl Bound" after we hadn't proven anything up to this point by beating GB, Detroit, and Minny.

We're a talented team, yes, but as a Chicago fan with the chokes of the Cubbies and my Bears, I'm still skeptical of our chances.

If we play to our potential every game here on out, we have enough talent to make a run at the SB but like 51 said, anything can happen.

So please stop with all this Bears to the SB talk until we get to the postseason.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
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Your question was if he is capable of leading a team to the Superbowl. To that, I don't know if he will ever be. He certainly isn't now. However, is his team capable of getting to the Superbowl? Definitely.
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Your question was if he is capable of leading a team to the Superbowl. To that, I don't know if he will ever be. He certainly isn't now. However, is his team capable of getting to the Superbowl? Definitely.
I'll agree with that. Rex won't "lead" us to a SB, but he is a big piece to what could be a trip to the SB if we stay healthy and keep playing well.

I just hope we don't lean on Rex too much here to produce huge numbers every week. I'd be happy with 200 yards and a TD game in and game out.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
Struggle? Hmmm, more like our defense bombed that game.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.

Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.
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And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.

Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.
Especially since the players see him as the leader on offense :roll: IDK how everyone can go against that :roll:
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.

Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.
Especially since the players see him as the leader on offense :roll: IDK how everyone can go against that :roll:
the question is Do you think Rex is capable of leading his team to the Super Bowl this year?

He is the offense's leader. He showed in the Minny game that he can overcome his mistakes and bs calls (also known as adversity). I dont see any reason he isnt CAPABLE of it. If the word was probable I would say no. But I think Rex is capable of leading the team, for the sole reason is that the players respect and trust him.
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Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.
Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.
He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.
Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
So basically what you're saying is that Tom Brady isn't a proven leader anymore because he wasn't able to respond to the beatdown they took from Denver. He was a proven leader, but once a team loses, the QB isn't a proven leader anymore. Football is a team oriented game. The QB is given too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses. I would say Rex is, at best, the 7th-8th most important player on our team.
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