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Old 08-09-2007, 01:55 PM    (permalink
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...analysis/5263/

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Percent of "Bad Passes"
        Most Bad Passes		          Fewest Bad Passes
1	7-B.Gradkowski	22.6%	36	18-P.Manning	13.8%
 2	10-E.Manning	20.9%	37	16-A.Walter	13.6%
3	17-J.Campbell	18.7%	38	9-D.Brees	13.3%
4	4-B.Favre	18.5%	39	7-M.Leinart	13.1%
5	8-R.Grossman	18.4%	40	17-P.Rivers	13.0%
6	2-C.Simms	18.4%	41	2-A.Brooks	13.0%
7	7-B.Leftwich	18.2%	42	9-S.McNair	12.7%
8	3-J.Harrington	17.9%	43	9-D.Garrard	12.6%
9	15-S.Wallace	17.7%	44	9-C.Frye	12.2%
10	14-B.Johnson	17.7%	45	8-D.Carr	10.5%
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Hit in Motion/Tipped at Line/Thrown Away
                   Most	                            Fewest
1	2-C.Simms	14.2%	36	7-B.Roethlisberger 5.6%
2	2-A.Brooks	11.5%	37	9-C.Palmer	5.5%
3	11-A.Smith	11.4%	38	16-A.Walter	5.1%
4	8-D.Carr	10.1%	39	5-D.McNabb	5.1%
5	7-J.Losman	10.0%	40	6-J.Cutler	5.0%
6	17-J.Delhomme	9.6%	41	10-C.Pennington	4.5%
7	8-M.Brunell	9.6%	42	9-T.Romo	4.4%
8	7-B.Gradkowski	9.2%	43	4-B.Favre	4.2%
9	11-D.Bledsoe	9.2%	44	18-P.Manning	3.9%
10	13-K.Warner	8.8%	45	10-M.Bulger	3.7%
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Percent of Passes Marked Overthrown/Thrown Ahead
        Most Overthrows		          Fewest Overthrows
1	4-B.Favre	13.5%	36	2-A.Brooks	8.3%
2	3-D.Anderson	13.4%	37	8-M.Hasselbeck	8.3%
3	9-T.Romo	12.6%	38	6-J.Cutler	8.1%
4	10-E.Manning	12.4%	39	9-D.Garrard	7.8%
5	8-R.Grossman	12.4%	40	9-S.McNair	7.8%
6	17-J.Delhomme	12.2%	41	10-T.Green	7.1%
7	7-B.Gradkowski	12.2%	42	13-K.Warner	6.9%
8	15-S.Wallace	12.1%	43	9-D.Brees	6.4%
9	3-J.Harrington	12.1%	44	2-C.Simms	5.3%
10	13-T.Rattay	11.9%	45	8-D.Carr	3.3%
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I feel like those stats are subjective.
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Tom Brady nowhere on there at all, must be a pretty average quarterback, not good but not bad at anything :D
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I guess David Carr is one of the best QBs in the league along with Chris Simms and Andrew Walter...
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Football Outsiders also said this gem when ranking coaching staffs:

"Giants fired defensive coordinator Tim Lewis, their best coach"
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Walter has soo few "bad passes" and least "tipped" because he's too busy fumbling the ball most of the time anyways...
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I like how one of the Raider QB's are on each of the fewest lists... Granted SubNoize is right Walter didn't really throw it he just fumbled it.

I do like the stats though, interesting.
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I like how one of the Raider QB's are on each of the fewest lists... Granted SubNoize is right Walter didn't really throw it he just fumbled it.

I do like the stats though, interesting.
yeah hard to tip or bat the ball down when it's on the ground already...
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Walter has soo few "bad passes" and least "tipped" because he's too busy fumbling the ball most of the time anyways...
Same with Garrard.

Which shows how pointless metrics really are.
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So this means that Andre Walter is one of the top QB's in football? Wow, this is so enlightining.
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It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.
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It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.
I read the article and I don't care for any of their stats in all honesty.
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I read the article and I don't care for any of their stats in all honesty.
Disagreeing with them is fine. It's all a matter of opinion anyway. However, the people that just blindly quip and reduce all metrics to garbage based on incomplete information reduces the intelligent discussion on this site a good deal.
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See guys! I told you Andrew Walter was a god-send!!!! Now I have proof to back it up! And Brooks up there too. Bwahaha! Raiders are amazing!!!!!





Football metrics... This proves my point.
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Its hard to knock Andrew Walter when he was either sacked or running for his life. Put him behind a decent offensive line then lets see what the kid can do.
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It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.
I didn't just grab a few to show a point... What point did I prove? I left the link because I thought it was an interesting read and wanted to give people a taste of what I meant.
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This just in, Brett Favre makes a lot of stupid throws. That's why no matter what records he breaks, he'll never be the best QB in the game. Well that and the lone Superbowl ring.
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I guess David Carr is one of the best QBs in the league along with Chris Simms and Andrew Walter...
there also up there in the bad stats aswell...
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Carr looks pretty good in these stats... remarkable. Will he do well with tha panthers.
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Its hard to knock Andrew Walter when he was either sacked or running for his life. Put him behind a decent offensive line then lets see what the kid can do.
he'd probably trip on his center and then carry the ball too low and fumble it when he gets tapped... this is of course when he's not dancing around as usual.
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he'd probably trip on his center and then carry the ball too low and fumble it when he gets tapped... this is of course when he's not dancing around as usual.
And then he would try and kick the ball while it is on the ground instead of falling on it. (This from Raiders training camp)
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And then he would try and kick the ball while it is on the ground instead of falling on it. (This from Raiders training camp)
Yep. My first reaction:

Stabler, is that you???
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