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Old 10-25-2006, 10:38 PM    (permalink
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You can get mix-ups, when you use supplements. Patrick Kerney was on JRIB and said that if you aren't careful, you can accidentally take in something you aren't aware of. Which is why he goes to reputable, NFL approved, supplements to avoid those kinds of mix-ups. I think most people are ASSuming Shawne Merriman intentionally was taking Nandrolone.
so he's a moron for putting something into his body without having any idea what it actually was. in the nfl (as people have pointed out for years, just ask lance) you dang well better know what you're putting into your body. i do not buy the "accident" BS for one second, unless we're going to call merriman an absolute moron, which, imo, ends this argument anyways.

I lean towards the lapse of judgement, aka moron, rather than cheater.
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I would've taken Merriman by a small margin before the steroids, and that hasn't changed. I still take him by a little.
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Whose is a possesive. Like, "whose socks are these?".

You want who is, or who's.

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if it's true that Merriman's always been taking them, then Ware
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Untill I see Merriman become worse when he's of the 'roids then I still pick him.
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Merriman makes more plays, and will continue to make more plays his entire career.
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wow one incident and merriman is discredited for his numbers last year.


i would still take lights out merriman over ware any day of the week and twice on sunday
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wow one incident and merriman is discredited for his numbers last year.


i would still take lights out merriman over ware any day of the week and twice on sunday
well you are a chargers fan...
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great observation but i would still take merriman b/c of the numbers
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You guys are crazy, Derrick Johnson is the best linebacker of that class. :D
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I hate them both, but I'll take Ware.
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Ware, I've always really liked him, he seems like a more rounded player to me.
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You guys are crazy, Derrick Johnson is the best linebacker of that class. :D

I agree with that. All the morons who said he couldn't tackle before the '05 draft. :roll:

The Panthers took Thomas Davis over him..
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You guys are crazy, Derrick Johnson is the best linebacker of that class. :D

I agree with that. All the morons who said he couldn't tackle before the '05 draft. :roll:

The Panthers took Thomas Davis over him..
Tackle....do you mean couldn't shed blocks and didn't really have great tackling technique?
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A few analysts, Hoge for example, said he was afraid of contact and didn't like the tackle or shed blocks.
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A few analysts, Hoge for example, said he was afraid of contact and didn't like the tackle or shed blocks.
Ya but didn't like to...is alot different then saying he couldn't.
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A few analysts, Hoge for example, said he was afraid of contact and didn't like the tackle or shed blocks.
I remember Hoge saying that Derrick Johnson would be out of the league in three years.

Johnson's problem wasn't that he couldn't tackle, or didn't want to. It's just that he didn't have that good of technique, and would try to land big hits, instead of just wrapping up and making the safe play. That's easily correctable.
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BBD, Peppers was caught using ephedra, which is a stimulant, not a performance enhancing substance.
Yeah, but with the widespread use of HGH in trhe NFL, we'd be foolish to assume that he's not a prime suspect. And also, remember, a doctor for Carolina gave out steroids, plus he plans on writing a book with more high profile names included in it. That story is far from over.
Shortt gave steroid creams and nothing else to everyone except for Toddles...

Oh and you're foolish just to assume he's a prime suspect, other than using ephedra in his rookie season he's been 100% clean in every test ever done. Don't be a hater just because he's ten times the defensive end either of New Yorks are...
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well Lights Out is good but overrated

but ware is also goos but a lil bit underated but

out of the to listed im going with 56
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Yeah, but with the widespread use of HGH in trhe NFL, we'd be foolish to assume that he's not a prime suspect. And also, remember, a doctor for Carolina gave out steroids, plus he plans on writing a book with more high profile names included in it. That story is far from over.
Shortt gave steroid creams and nothing else to everyone except for Toddles...

Oh and you're foolish just to assume he's a prime suspect, other than using ephedra in his rookie season he's been 100% clean in every test ever done. Don't be a hater just because he's ten times the defensive end either of New Yorks are...
Ah, name calling, the best type of argument. I believe that alot of players are using HGH, so maybe I was wrong in singling out Peppers here. The point I was trying to make is that Merriman isn't the only one, and I cited Peppers as one example. You don't think Peppers is on something? Come on, if he was all natural we would see at least 3 other players in the league with at the very least comparable athleticism. But he's not the only one I accuse. I wouldn't be surprised at all if theres guys on my team using it too.

Back on topic, Merriman had 3 sacks yesterday. That gives him 8.5 for the season. He is outperforming DeMarcus Ware on the field this year, thats hard to argue. He is a much better pass rusher from what Ive seen as well. DWare was pretty unimpressive rushing the passer last night. Of course Ware is more balanced, but rushing the passer is a such a premium.

If the steroid results didn't come out, it would be impossible to argue that DWare is the better player this year. Now because of the test, you gotta take Merriman's performance with a grain of salt. I do think however, that even after the test that this man will continue to play beastly, even when off the roids. That test was done awhile ago, and I doubt he's still doing roids before this game, yet he still put up 3 sacks. But still, evaluating him as a player has gotten a little bit tougher because of the "what ifs".

I think right now Merriman is still the better player. The season is still young though, and Ware is still damn good. I need to see more pass rush out of Ware, he's been disappointing me in that area. He doesn't disengage off linemen very well on pass rushes.
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If Merriman didn't have the suspension to worry about, he'd be on his way to a 19 sack season. The year Lawrence Taylor won league MVP, he had a 20 1/2 sack season. I don't think it's even a question that Merriman is one of a handful of game changers on the defensive side of the ball. I really don't think Ware makes close to the impact on a football game that Merriman does. Let's be honest here, if the steroid scandal hadn't broke last week the results of this poll would be flipped around.
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i would of been more interested in this poll before the accusations....i like both players, ALOT....more complete is ware though....i see ware rushing the passer from the down lineman position and upright as the OLB, merriman is usually rushing standing up, ware seems to be able to do more, and get to the passer both ways, he is getting to the point where he is going to be impossible to stop unless you use 2 blockers....
The only argument you can make for Ware is that he's could be the better edge rusher. Merriman is one of the best tacklers in the league and is often blowing up run plays, as well as pass.

no thats not the only argument....merriman is REALLY great at blitzing standing up, thats it....


he's not better at rushing the passer in a down stance, nor is he better in pass coverage
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i think there diffrent

Ware is a better tackler
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