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Old 11-13-2006, 09:29 PM    (permalink
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Antwan Peek's out 2-4 weeks. Is he gonna be back next yr. He was signed to a 1 yr. tender. Thoughts?
Love him, but I doubt he gets resigned. We have lots of DE depth. Hope he does though. We need DT help badly.
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datchapin, the only reason I say we need a franchise type RB is to be able to control the clock and move the chain. This will help David Carr in taking some of the pressure off and it will help the management and coaching staff to rebuild this team. Presently we don't have a RB of that magnitude.


LUV U BLUE didn't become LUV U BLUE till Earl Campbell arrived in scene. We need a big pounder who just keeps plugging away. Early was a special player that I don’t think we will ever see another RB like him.


On the subject of David Carr, exactly how long does he need before we decide on him? In the past 4.5 years he has done absolutely nothing despite being paid franchise money. If we are to pay that kind of money to a QB doesn't he also need to produce in the same fashion? Carr lacks leadership, and intangibles which you need at that position.


Hiring Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers really took our team back and now it almost like starting over. So many wasted drafts picks and ill advised personnel move. We are paying for all the mistakes of the past regime. It will take couple of years to fix all the mess created by them.


With the move from 3-4 to 4-3 also makes Babin and peek expendable, especially after signing Anthony Weaver. Peek will become FA next year and I don't think Texans will sign him. Peek has been injured most of this year and really hasn't shown anything when he has been on the fields either.
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Hiring Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers really took our team back and now it almost like starting over. So many wasted drafts picks and ill advised personnel move. We are paying for all the mistakes of the past regime. It will take couple of years to fix all the mess created by them.
Say what you will, Casserly manned a great '06 draft.
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Hiring Charlie Casserly and Dom Capers really took our team back and now it almost like starting over. So many wasted drafts picks and ill advised personnel move. We are paying for all the mistakes of the past regime. It will take couple of years to fix all the mess created by them.
Say what you will, Casserly manned a great '06 draft.
The biggest part of the problem is that Capers would never switch to a 4-3. Casserly didn't necessarily draft and acquire bad players, but it seemed like he and Capers weren't on the same page of acquiring players to fit their schemes.
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[Say what you will, Casserly manned a great '06 draft.]


Any one who knows even 1% about the team will tell you that Gary Kubiak was fully responsible for 2006 draft and casserly had very little to do with the draft. This is one of the main reason why Casserly is working for the CBS right now. Bob McNair is too good of a man, he trusted in Charlie Casserly to be the GM of the expansion team. [/quote]
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Say what you will, Casserly manned a great '06 draft.
As Grid mentioned, Casserly had absolutely nothing to do with the past draft. Most of the players from the past regime have already been cut, and those who have not are likely to be cut in the very near future. Casserly and Capers were a cancer to football in this city.
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I won't argue Casserly's effectiveness in our franchise's history. However he did have a big hand in this yr's. draft. It's a fact that he lobbied hard for Owen Daniels and he's been one of our bright spots as well. He also had a big hand in trading for Moulds. I don't know his role in everything, but he had to listen to Capers and that may have also had a big part in it. Caper's lobbied for the Buchanon trade and who knows maybe we would have gotten better value not having traded, but to put it all on Casserly I think is a little unjust. Every GM has their hits and misses, but also coaching is responsible for player development.
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datchapin, the only reason I say we need a franchise type RB is to be able to control the clock and move the chain. This will help David Carr in taking some of the pressure off and it will help the management and coaching staff to rebuild this team. Presently we don't have a RB of that magnitude.


LUV U BLUE didn't become LUV U BLUE till Earl Campbell arrived in scene. We need a big pounder who just keeps plugging away. Early was a special player that I don’t think we will ever see another RB like him.


On the subject of David Carr, exactly how long does he need before we decide on him? In the past 4.5 years he has done absolutely nothing despite being paid franchise money. If we are to pay that kind of money to a QB doesn't he also need to produce in the same fashion? Carr lacks leadership, and intangibles which you need at that position.


With the move from 3-4 to 4-3 also makes Babin and peek expendable, especially after signing Anthony Weaver. Peek will become FA next year and I don't think Texans will sign him. Peek has been injured most of this year and really hasn't shown anything when he has been on the fields either.
I disagree. I think Gado is a bruiser that would be very effective in our system. However he just hasn't been given ample opportunity. He has incredible speed for his size and can push the pile when necessary. Remember he's the one that broke that huge run against the Colts. I like Lundy and still think he can develop, but I for one think Gado can do alot for us. I digress however, because it would be great to have a franchise back. However right now with our needs I don't think RB is the biggest one. Also I agree Earl was the man.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that as well. True he's well paid, but in comparison to top QB's he's nowhere near being paid elite money. Also how can he excell when he never had a coach that knew what he was really talking about. Caper's instilled in him alot of bad habits. Maybe it's just me, but Carr seemed to digress each successive season until now. In a short while he's shown vast improvements. Getting rid of the ball quicker, reading defenses etc. etc. He's still got a ways to go don't get me wrong, but this is his first season under coherent coaching, so I would wait until the end of the season before I pass judgement. These last two games in particular he's shown alot of growth. I don't know about his leadership or intangibles as I'm not on the team, but from an outside perspective I think he's starting to show good leadership.

I agree with Peek being expendable, however Babin has shown he can be productive, he's got I think 3 sacks on the season while splitting time with everyone else. I think we would have a solid rotation with Babin, Weaver, and Williams. If they let Kalu go I could see Peek staying on as our pass-rush specialist, but he has to show he can get to the QB when he gets back. I think.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but for those that don't know. Fred Weary was arrested today. The whole situation is a little vague, but from what I've heard it was a routine stop due to lack of front license plates and he resisted arrest leading to him being tasered. I don't know what's gonna happen or what happened exactly, but hopefully he'll be back soon.
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I won't argue Casserly's effectiveness in our franchise's history. However he did have a big hand in this yr's. draft. It's a fact that he lobbied hard for Owen Daniels and he's been one of our bright spots as well. He also had a big hand in trading for Moulds. I don't know his role in everything, but he had to listen to Capers and that may have also had a big part in it. Caper's lobbied for the Buchanon trade and who knows maybe we would have gotten better value not having traded, but to put it all on Casserly I think is a little unjust. Every GM has their hits and misses, but also coaching is responsible for player development.
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If some one can count all the draft picks which we had prior to this year, all we have to show for is Carr, A. Johnson and D.Rob. I am not blaming any one but tell me who should be held accoutable for all the screws up. Casserly or Capers or both.
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Problem with all of us is that we don't want to admit the facts even though it is right in front of us. As a season ticket holder, I feel as if I have the right to question the coaching or the management if my team is not performing or if the coaching staff are not doing their job properly.


For the first three years of existence from 2002 - 2005. Texans have had 13 picks each year. They had 2 draft picks in each round except for the first round where they only had one pick. Based on this many draft picks, we should have had more impact players on our roster. Today we are thin at each and every position due to these screw ups. We sorely lack talent on the ball club right now.
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Problem with all of us is that we don't want to admit the facts even though it is right in front of us. As a season ticket holder, I feel as if I have the right to question the coaching or the management if my team is not performing or if the coaching staff are not doing their job properly.


For the first three years of existence from 2002 - 2005. Texans have had 13 picks each year. They had 2 draft picks in each round except for the first round where they only had one pick. Based on this many draft picks, we should have had more impact players on our roster. Today we are thin at each and every position due to these screw ups. We sorely lack talent on the ball club right now.
Your pretty much correct. I would say the new management is moving things in the right direction.

Mario - 95% of GM's probably would have taken Bush and we'd be in a terrible position because of it. If Mario can stay healthy, he'll be a DROY candidate.
Demeco Ryans - Looks darn good as a rookie and is a possible DROY guy. He may never be a Ray Lewis or Jonathan Vilma but he's going to be a good starter in the league for a long time.

Spencer, Winston - We'll find out more about Winston soon enough but I love these two guys and the value we were able to get for them in the third round. Spencer was on his way to being a solid starter before getting injured. Outside of D'Brick and Marcus McNeil, I wouldn't take any OT's in the draft ahead of him now.

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This year draft is not in question. We had by far the best draft pick in the history of the team. This is what we should have done the first 3 years as well.
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That's the thing. What changed this yr. R. Smith didn't come in until after the draft so it was the head coaching that changed. Remember Kubiak didn't know much about the prospects when he first got here. Casserly was right there getting him through everything, Kubiak saw what he liked and Casserly was the mediator in getting everything done. So what really changed? I think it was what the coaches wanted. All I know is this draft was solid and Casserly was a part of it. True currently it would seem we don't have anything to show for our previous drafts. Think about this though all our starting secondary was drafted by us. Babin has been showing up and even though he may not yet be living to his billing he is a productive draftee. We got an all-pro in Mathis who's been out all yr. Then imagine how our running game would look if we had a healthy DD another of our late rd.s. We've done less than great, I can admit that, but also gotta recognize the good things.
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Well, I've been meaning to do this for a while. Congratulations on the victory, you outplayed us, and we simply didn't deserve to win.

Just know that every year my passion of the Jaguars vs. Texans game, grows more and more each year. It was a hell of a series this year, and know that I'm not going to take the Texans lightly ever again.

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I was in Houston this weekend, so I finally got to see a game (yay)

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Problem with all of us is that we don't want to admit the facts even though it is right in front of us. As a season ticket holder, I feel as if I have the right to question the coaching or the management if my team is not performing or if the coaching staff are not doing their job properly.


For the first three years of existence from 2002 - 2005. Texans have had 13 picks each year. They had 2 draft picks in each round except for the first round where they only had one pick. Based on this many draft picks, we should have had more impact players on our roster. Today we are thin at each and every position due to these screw ups. We sorely lack talent on the ball club right now.
Your pretty much correct. I would say the new management is moving things in the right direction.

Mario - 95% of GM's probably would have taken Bush and we'd be in a terrible position because of it. If Mario can stay healthy, he'll be a DROY candidate.
Demeco Ryans - Looks darn good as a rookie and is a possible DROY guy. He may never be a Ray Lewis or Jonathan Vilma but he's going to be a good starter in the league for a long time.

Spencer, Winston - We'll find out more about Winston soon enough but I love these two guys and the value we were able to get for them in the third round. Spencer was on his way to being a solid starter before getting injured. Outside of D'Brick and Marcus McNeil, I wouldn't take any OT's in the draft ahead of him now.

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No he won't, he will be better. Demeco is a beast.
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Problem with all of us is that we don't want to admit the facts even though it is right in front of us. As a season ticket holder, I feel as if I have the right to question the coaching or the management if my team is not performing or if the coaching staff are not doing their job properly.


For the first three years of existence from 2002 - 2005. Texans have had 13 picks each year. They had 2 draft picks in each round except for the first round where they only had one pick. Based on this many draft picks, we should have had more impact players on our roster. Today we are thin at each and every position due to these screw ups. We sorely lack talent on the ball club right now.
Your pretty much correct. I would say the new management is moving things in the right direction.

Mario - 95% of GM's probably would have taken Bush and we'd be in a terrible position because of it. If Mario can stay healthy, he'll be a DROY candidate.
Demeco Ryans - Looks darn good as a rookie and is a possible DROY guy. He may never be a Ray Lewis or Jonathan Vilma but he's going to be a good starter in the league for a long time.

Spencer, Winston - We'll find out more about Winston soon enough but I love these two guys and the value we were able to get for them in the third round. Spencer was on his way to being a solid starter before getting injured. Outside of D'Brick and Marcus McNeil, I wouldn't take any OT's in the draft ahead of him now.

Lundy - Can't say enough.
No he won't, he will be better. Demeco is a beast.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to compare him to Ray Lewis, one of the greatest of all time.
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Problem with all of us is that we don't want to admit the facts even though it is right in front of us. As a season ticket holder, I feel as if I have the right to question the coaching or the management if my team is not performing or if the coaching staff are not doing their job properly.


For the first three years of existence from 2002 - 2005. Texans have had 13 picks each year. They had 2 draft picks in each round except for the first round where they only had one pick. Based on this many draft picks, we should have had more impact players on our roster. Today we are thin at each and every position due to these screw ups. We sorely lack talent on the ball club right now.
Your pretty much correct. I would say the new management is moving things in the right direction.

Mario - 95% of GM's probably would have taken Bush and we'd be in a terrible position because of it. If Mario can stay healthy, he'll be a DROY candidate.
Demeco Ryans - Looks darn good as a rookie and is a possible DROY guy. He may never be a Ray Lewis or Jonathan Vilma but he's going to be a good starter in the league for a long time.

Spencer, Winston - We'll find out more about Winston soon enough but I love these two guys and the value we were able to get for them in the third round. Spencer was on his way to being a solid starter before getting injured. Outside of D'Brick and Marcus McNeil, I wouldn't take any OT's in the draft ahead of him now.

Lundy - Can't say enough.
No he won't, he will be better. Demeco is a beast.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to compare him to Ray Lewis, one of the greatest of all time.
he didnt really compare them :?
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man we have to beat the bills revenge from last year wheen we made losman look like a probowler if we lose ill be very upset if we stop the run we stop them offense has to show up cuz there defense is still pretty good
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man we have to beat the bills revenge from last year wheen we made losman look like a probowler if we lose ill be very upset if we stop the run we stop them offense has to show up cuz there defense is still pretty good
Jason Peters caught a TD in that game. Is there anything he can't do!?
(please avoid low-blow responses such as "Stop the run")
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Demeco is a terrific player and certainly capable of being a multiple Pro Bowl player. However, physically he just isn't in the league of Ray Lewis or Vilma. That being said their is no reason why he can't be a Zack Thomas, Antonio Pierce type player.
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Wait let me get this right. You guys are saying that Demeco isn't in the same league phisically as J. Vilma. Okay, howso. Vilma 6'1'' 230lbs. Ryans 6'2'' 236 lbs. Maybe I'm crazy, but that puts Ryans right on par with Vilma physically speaking. Lewis is a special specimen so there isn't that many LB's that compare to him phisically, but being a physical doesn't always translate to success. Ryans is a great LB and while it's to early to make comparison's it's clear that Ryans has the talent to be elite.
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