League MVP Reevaluated - Page 2

bigbluedefense · 11-20-2006, 02:51 PM

A defensive player must perform feats that were once considered unimagineable to be considered a league MVP. Only 2 defensive players in NFL history won that award, Alan Page and Lawrence Taylor. They did things that no one imagined possible at the time, and completely revolutionized the game. Peppers is not in the same sentence, paragraph, page, book, or even library with those 2. So no, Peppers name has no business in this discussion. As great as he's playing, we've seen defensive players have more dominant seasons than he is having right now.

bearfan · 11-20-2006, 03:46 PM

I say Tomlinson, he is the best, and is playing the best this season, IMO carrying his team. I dont care how much Rivers has impressed, when you have a RB like LT, and doing what LT does, then I say he is carrying the team.

On a defensive note, I see no one mentioned Urlacher. Not to be a homer, but I watch him every single game, and he is just a beast.

draftguru151 · 11-20-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliez01

It's obvious that Manning is the Colts franchise, but as good as Turner has been, would he be anywhere near Tomlinson right now? See that TD Tomlinson caught, do you think Turner could do that? How about all of those carries, he's got what you want in an MVP. In fact, if SA won the award last year with those stats, Tomlinson definitely deserves it.

My Top 10:

1)-Tomlinson
2)-Manning
3)-Johnson
4)-Peppers
5)-Brees
6)-Smith
7)-Palmer
8)-Taylor
9)-Parker
10)-Rivers

First names are nice.

Shiver · 11-20-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo

Shaun Alexander won last year.

I would like to add:

LDT '06 > Shaun Alexander '05

By far.

moc182 · 11-20-2006, 04:00 PM

People that are saying LT is the winner hands down really aren't thinking things out. If you take Peyton Manning away from the Colts, they're lucky to win half their games. With him they have started the past two seasons a combined 22-0. On the other hand, LT's backup is averaging over 6 yards per carry, and the Chargers would definitely still be a playoff team without him. Now I'm not saying he isn't a great player, or even that he ndoesn't deserve the award, but it's something to think about.

SeanTaylorRIP · 11-20-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by moc182

People that are saying LT is the winner hands down really aren't thinking things out. If you take Peyton Manning away from the Colts, they're lucky to win half their games. With him they have started the past two seasons a combined 22-0. On the other hand, LT's backup is averaging over 6 yards per carry, and the Chargers would definitely still be a playoff team without him. Now I'm not saying he isn't a great player, or even that he ndoesn't deserve the award, but it's something to think about.

No way they would not be in the playoffs, Rivers would be bad without LT and when Turner runs they don't stack up on him like LT also he comes in a lot and runs in long down situations when the team is expecting pass, not bashing Turner cause I think he could be a starter but a lot of his yards are junk yards.

duckseason · 11-20-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by moc182

People that are saying LT is the winner hands down really aren't thinking things out. If you take Peyton Manning away from the Colts, they're lucky to win half their games. With him they have started the past two seasons a combined 22-0. On the other hand, LT's backup is averaging over 6 yards per carry, and the Chargers would definitely still be a playoff team without him. Now I'm not saying he isn't a great player, or even that he ndoesn't deserve the award, but it's something to think about.

Backups of MVP candidates have no place in the discussion. They have no bearing on the value of said candidates. If that were part of the equation, then QB's would practically be the only players to ever win the MVP award. It's always tough to compare players who play differet positions, but when somebody is head and shoulders above everybody else, or they're having a season of the likes which we have never seen, then they would have to be the clear favorite. At this point in the season, Tomlinson is unquestionably the winner hands down. It's really not close at all. We may be watching the greatest season by any RB in the history of the game. It's his to lose at this point.

Jonathan_VIlma · 11-20-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moc182

People that are saying LT is the winner hands down really aren't thinking things out. If you take Peyton Manning away from the Colts, they're lucky to win half their games. With him they have started the past two seasons a combined 22-0. On the other hand, LT's backup is averaging over 6 yards per carry, and the Chargers would definitely still be a playoff team without him. Now I'm not saying he isn't a great player, or even that he ndoesn't deserve the award, but it's something to think about.

Problem is that you can say that about almost every quarterback in the NFL, because its not a replaceable position. Runningback is a lot more replaceable.

You take most any quarterback off their team and they're not replaceable.

Shiver · 11-20-2006, 04:50 PM

That is a bad counter-point. If LaDainian Tomlinson doesn't get injured, he will have the greatest individual season ever. If he doesn't win the M.V.P, with that, it would be a travesty. Almost as bad as his pro bowl snub in '03, when he had 1,600 yards and 100 catches!

Moses · 11-20-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

That is a bad counter-point. If LaDainian Tomlinson doesn't get injured, he will have the greatest individual season ever. If he doesn't win the M.V.P, with that, it would be a travesty. Almost as bad as his pro bowl snub in '03, when he had 1,600 yards and 100 catches!

He didn't make the Pro Bowl that year? :shock:

I rarely pay attention to the Pro Bowl for obvious reasons but that is just ridiculous.

derza222 · 11-20-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by moc182

People that are saying LT is the winner hands down really aren't thinking things out. If you take Peyton Manning away from the Colts, they're lucky to win half their games. With him they have started the past two seasons a combined 22-0. On the other hand, LT's backup is averaging over 6 yards per carry, and the Chargers would definitely still be a playoff team without him. Now I'm not saying he isn't a great player, or even that he ndoesn't deserve the award, but it's something to think about.

Backups of MVP candidates have no place in the discussion. They have no bearing on the value of said candidates. If that were part of the equation, then QB's would practically be the only players to ever win the MVP award. It's always tough to compare players who play differet positions, but when somebody is head and shoulders above everybody else, or they're having a season of the likes which we have never seen, then they would have to be the clear favorite. At this point in the season, Tomlinson is unquestionably the winner hands down. It's really not close at all. We may be watching the greatest season by any RB in the history of the game. It's his to lose at this point.

I agree completely. That's why it's LT, and by a long shot. Add in the fact that he's having one of the greatest seasons for a RB ever and may break the record for touchdowns in a season, how can he not win?

Vikings Fan · 11-20-2006, 04:59 PM

Brees needs more love. He is on pace for 5,000 yards and 30 TDs.

Smooth Criminal · 11-20-2006, 05:04 PM

I would sooner give it to Brees than Manning. Sure Manning is the entire team but he isn't having anywhere near his best season while Tomlinson is playing the best of his entire career.

If Alexander did enough to get it last year than LT definately deserves is.

Shiver · 11-20-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

That is a bad counter-point. If LaDainian Tomlinson doesn't get injured, he will have the greatest individual season ever. If he doesn't win the M.V.P, with that, it would be a travesty. Almost as bad as his pro bowl snub in '03, when he had 1,600 yards and 100 catches!

He didn't make the Pro Bowl that year? :shock:

I rarely pay attention to the Pro Bowl for obvious reasons but that is just ridiculous.

Somehow Clinton Portis made it over him. I understand Jamal Lewis (2,000 yards) and Priest Holmes (27 Touchdowns) but Portis making it over Tomlinson that year was a joke.

11-20-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

I would sooner give it to Brees than Manning. Sure Manning is the entire team but he isn't having anywhere near his best season while Tomlinson is playing the best of his entire career.

If Alexander did enough to get it last year than LT definately deserves is.

Explain why Brees over Manning.

Shiver · 11-20-2006, 05:38 PM

Because Drew Brees put up 500 yards, which is more important than the fact that his team lost the game. :roll:

ninerfan · 11-20-2006, 05:53 PM

Staubach12 · 11-20-2006, 05:54 PM

Well, it's a tie between Manning and Tomlinson right now for me. I think Tomlinson will end up getting it.

Staubach12 · 11-20-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

I would sooner give it to Brees than Manning. Sure Manning is the entire team but he isn't having anywhere near his best season while Tomlinson is playing the best of his entire career.

If Alexander did enough to get it last year than LT definately deserves is.

So what is Manning isn't having his best year, he's still one of the best. What, did you expect 49 TDs every year?

Philliez01 · 11-20-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliez01

It's obvious that Manning is the Colts franchise, but as good as Turner has been, would he be anywhere near Tomlinson right now? See that TD Tomlinson caught, do you think Turner could do that? How about all of those carries, he's got what you want in an MVP. In fact, if SA won the award last year with those stats, Tomlinson definitely deserves it.

My Top 10:

1)-Tomlinson
2)-Manning
3)-Johnson, Larry
4)-Brees, Drew
5)-Smith, Steve
6)-Palmer, Carson
7)-Barber, Tiki
8 )-Peppers, Julius
9)-Rivers, Philip
10)-Taylor, Jason

First names are nice.

I changed it a lot but whatever, I didn't think most of them required first names considering that I doubt I would be talking about Zuriel Smiht though. I forgot about Barber.