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Old 03-28-2007, 10:00 PM    (permalink
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Old 03-28-2007, 10:01 PM    (permalink
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Old 03-29-2007, 01:51 PM    (permalink
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*shrug* you're probably in the minority. further, sigs are not stored on the server, and are thus not really a relevant part of the discussion.

for the record, one of the web servers i trust the most tends toward per-client quotes, but all start with relatively small 73-80 gb drives. adding more adds a large additional cost if the user asks for the back-up service (which tends to be pretty much essential in a server environment). allowing users to add 100x100 images at whim (and especially when they use animated crap) will fill up a drive faster than you think, especially when you remember that people will sign up for the site, add an avatar, then never post here afterwards when they forget about it.

for instance, via networks prices additional storage as:

SATA HD 80 GB $50 setup / $40 monthly
SATA HD 160 GB $50 setup / $60 monthly
SATA HD 250 GB $50 setup / $90 monthly
SCSI HD 36 GB $50 setup / $60 monthly
SCSI HD 73 GB $50 setup / $100 monthly
SCSI HD 146 GB $50 setup / $130 monthly

those are not really negligible fees. moresp when you consider they don't cover the back-up fees:

weekly 40 GB backup $100 setup / $65 monthly
daily 100 GB backup $100 setup / $100 monthly
an extra 10 GB backup $15 monthly

further, the difference between an account that's limited to 40 GB per month in bandwidth and one that's unlimited (at Via, those are the two distinctions) was $130/mo. or $230/mo. if you were upping from the low end dedicated. if you consider this forum and scott's main site, 40GB is not a whopping amount of data transfer.
There is no way you would need a 40 GB hard drive to store the avatars for this website. Restrict the size of each avatar to 500 KB or so and you won't even come close to reaching 1 GB of space.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:04 PM    (permalink
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you're forgetting that there's a website attached to the board that will require most of the drive space. the size is then dependant on how many archives scott keeps, layout changes, manual backups, etc. further, the size of the board will also adversely affect that number, as some seldom used boards have reached 3gb (granted some are still under 100mb).

even then, we're still talking about the transfer of those avatars, which will occur across every single page a user views at least once per day (depending on their personal data cache preferences).

regardless, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason so far for scott to spend more money so that users can have pretty little animated things next to their name that, currently, couldn't just go in their sig space.
There is no way this website uses even close to 40 GB of hard drive space. I guarantee Scott has a ton of extra hard drive space sitting there unused.

Obviously bandwidth usage would increase but this server can obviously handle the load. The cost would be negligible.

Signatures are intrusive and take longer to load than avatars. Plus, they don't serve the purpose of quick identification of who is posting as well as avatars do. I've rarely seen a forum on the internet that doesn't have avatars so I just can't understand the logic here.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:15 PM    (permalink
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i've already shown the bandwidth cost isn't really negiligible, and that was on a completely random host i wouldn't typically use. i'm quite sure rackspace's fees are much higher (they used to be, though that may have changed).

if you'd rather have an avatar than a signature, replace one with the other. realistically, that's no different than hosting the avatars off-site to begin with and will take the exact same amount of time to load (meanwhile hosting avatars off-site and letting users have both would take longer to load). i'm also not entirely sure how vbulletin caches old avatars (as far as i can tell, the images are NOT deleted, which then requires scott to log into the web server and manually delete old ones. this is based strictly off reading the manual and not actual experience, so again, there may be hidden settings to limit this).
I would have no problem with adding off-site avatars and getting rid of signatures. Signatures serve no real purpose. Avatars make it easy to identify who is posting.
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Old 03-29-2007, 02:19 PM    (permalink
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then i would suggest petitioning the users to remove their sig and stick in an avatar instead. i'm not sure it will gain much traction.

as far as i can tell, there are no board mods for vbulletin 3.6 that will allow users to have off-site avatars. the only one i saw was for the 3.2 version and won't work with this board.
I haven't done much research into that but I'd imagine there would be a hack out there which would work. Too bad NFLDC isn't running phpBB anymore, especially since phpBB 3 is out now.
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***pulls thread back up...***

I see quite a few members with avatars... but can't add my own? Am I lost?

I want an avatar...
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:06 PM    (permalink
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I see quite a few members with avatars... but can't add my own? Am I lost?

I want an avatar...
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:07 PM    (permalink
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:16 PM    (permalink
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this just in, njx sucks and i hate him
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:17 PM    (permalink
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Seriously, is there anything in the world njx doesn't know?
Under his logic no. His argument for half of his knowledge is "Trust me I'm asian. I know" no matter how many sources you quote and how creditable they are him or his friends, probably made up, are more knowledgeable on the subject
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:17 PM    (permalink
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this just in, njx sucks and i hate him
this just came in too, nervs a *****, and wished people noticed him
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:18 PM    (permalink
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this just came in too, nervs a *****, and wished people noticed him
DChess still follows me around hoping to get a whiff of my ballsweat. Ya, its that good.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:25 PM    (permalink
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DChess still follows me around hoping to get a whiff of my ballsweat. Ya, its that good.
didnt know balls came with vag's, unless your still in the process of your "change".
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didnt know balls came with vag's, unless your still in the process of your "change".
He reinforces my point by responding to my post immediately after it goes through. Did you get that whiff yet?
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:28 PM    (permalink
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*posts in here to brag* just kidding
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:28 PM    (permalink
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That has to do with Post Count.
Yes... I'm aware of this. So, sub "All-Pro" with "Post Count": Is there a certain post count that lets you rate an avatar?
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:32 PM    (permalink
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:36 PM    (permalink
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Yes... I'm aware of this. So, sub "All-Pro" with "Post Count": Is there a certain post count that lets you rate an avatar?
No. The only people with avatars are mods, the winners of the scavenger hunt, and people who are on D-Units WFFL team.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:45 PM    (permalink
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He reinforces my point by responding to my post immediately after it goes through. Did you get that whiff yet?
post-op or pre-op?
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I still want one, cranky-pants.
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YAY! An answer to my question.

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