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Old 12-05-2006, 01:58 PM    (permalink
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Meh, the tuck rule is a bogus rule anyway. They never enforce it, it was arguably one of the worst calls in playoff history, no one ever calls the tuck rule. I personally feel it was a fumble, I can't say for 100% because I need to see a replay, but I saw no indication the first time how it would not be a fumble.

Did anyone else notice TO pull a Plaxico on Romo's 2nd INT? I know it was way overthrown, but he couldve tried to tackle Demps or something, he just stopped and put his hands down.
Btw, that is not true, either. Last year in a game against Washington, Jake Plummer made a play in which the ball was dropped and recovered in the endzone by his own lineman for a safety, in a game that Washington lost narrowly. It was reviewed and ruled and incomplete pass by virtue of the tuck rule. It could be argued that it cost the Skins the game.

Also, Mike Perriera has stated that it is usually a rule that comes into play 8 to 12 times a season, and it regularly called by his officials. I, personally, have only seen it called 3 times in the last two years. But it is actually used on a mandatory basis.
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Any concerns over TO's drops this year? He couldve kept some key drives going in that game had he not dropped the ball. That could come back and haunt you guys in a key moment in the playoffs if he doesn't work on that.

And Id just like to state, with all the big names on your defense, like Ware, Roy, James etc, to me the best player on that defense is clearly Terrance Newman. I know he doesn't cover one player the entire game, but whoever he is covering at any given moment is covered, all game. He's a top 3 corner in my book, 3rd to only Champ and McCallister.

One thing he does need to work on is breaking on the ball and creating turnovers. In fact, the entire Dallas secondary is more of a "cover the guy" kind of secondary, meaning they don't necessarily play the ball. I think thats why you see a lack of INTs out of this defense, even though they have a stellar secondary. If TNew can pick the ball like Champ, you could make a strong case for him being the 2nd best in the league.
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Without Newman, we are a terrible team. That's how much I respect his play. You are exactly right about our secondary. Roy is our interception specialist... that alone speaks volumes about their ability to create turnovers.

Which is a big reason why... Reggie Nelson is my #1 player on my big board.

My DC Big Board:
1. Reggie Nelson - There are still Pat Watkins supporters...and I'm still in support of keeping him on the team. ...but Nelson is the answer.

2. OT (BPA) - Don't tell me McQuistan is our future.

3. Tank Tyler - A beastly lineman. Some wonder if he could play NT in the 3-4, but I think he could.

4. Justin Blalock - Been a favorite for a long time... but there are other ways to fill OG.

5. Michael Griffin - Love what he brings to the table.
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Without Newman, we are a terrible team. That's how much I respect his play. You are exactly right about our secondary. Roy is our interception specialist... that alone speaks volumes about their ability to create turnovers.

Which is a big reason why... Reggie Nelson is my #1 player on my big board.

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1. Reggie Nelson - There are still Pat Watkins supporters...and I'm still in support of keeping him on the team. ...but Nelson is the answer.

2. OT (BPA) - Don't tell me McQuistan is our future.

3. Tank Tyler - A beastly lineman. Some wonder if he could play NT in the 3-4, but I think he could.

4. Justin Blalock - Been a favorite for a long time... but there are other ways to fill OG.

5. Michael Griffin - Love what he brings to the table.
I agree with you on Newman. A big part of me wishes Balaskonis was still here so I could give him props for being all about him this past offseason. I told him that he was overrating Newman, but the kid is the real deal.

Your draft...I think no matter what, I don't care who falls, you have to take the BA OL. You have enough 1st round talent on the D, and you can find a coverage safety in round 2 or 3.
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Without Newman, we are a terrible team. That's how much I respect his play. You are exactly right about our secondary. Roy is our interception specialist... that alone speaks volumes about their ability to create turnovers.

Which is a big reason why... Reggie Nelson is my #1 player on my big board.

My DC Big Board:
1. Reggie Nelson - There are still Pat Watkins supporters...and I'm still in support of keeping him on the team. ...but Nelson is the answer.

2. OT (BPA) - Don't tell me McQuistan is our future.

3. Tank Tyler - A beastly lineman. Some wonder if he could play NT in the 3-4, but I think he could.

4. Justin Blalock - Been a favorite for a long time... but there are other ways to fill OG.

5. Michael Griffin - Love what he brings to the table.
Have you watched Michael Johnson outta arizona?
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as far as TO's drops go im not to worried, although i am confused. Sometimes romo will throw a bullet and hes got no problem snagging it, most of the drops come on regularly throw balls and wide open catches. I dont know if he is thinking about the run after catch and not concentrating or if he is thinking about a td celebration or what. he just needs to focus and it will be fine. all i can say is that he does things for this team that keyshawn, and for that matter, just about everyone outside the top 10 in the league couldnt do.

I wish newman was a little more aggressive but at the same time i see guys like arron glenn who go for the pick and sometimes it backfires. for example, the infamous santana moss game a year ago -- glenn could have batted one of the td's down but he went for the pick and didnt get it. Or you guys going for the pick on romo instead of batting that ball to crayton down.

Ive noticed one of Newmans picks got lost in the stats this year as well. Stats show that he has 1 pick returned for 12 yards but i know he picked off eli's overthrow to plax in the first game in the endzone for a touchback and i dont think its recorded.

As far as the mbIII/ jj debated, i think JJ has changed his style, he almost does the "jamal lewis" baby steps before he gets going and i think its really messing him up. He used to run alot harder in the sense that he would cut more and try to keep going after first contact and i think his prior injuries have resulted in him going down easy as if hes trying to avoid a third injury. If he got one more injury, he would be labled as an injury prone back for sure, but at the same time he needs to start running like he used to -- the system hasnt changed but he has. If he can return to his old form, i think MBIII stays as the "back-up" even though playing time is about even right now.
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alright dude, see if you can find it here....
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid...26id%3d2679672

headline reads "Hall, Gamble don't deserve hype" so im assuming it breaks them down
Hall is giving up 10.8 yard per attempt. He has also given up a 40+ yard pass in 4 of his last 8 games.

Gamble is at 11 yards per attempt.
very interesting, thanks for taking the time to look that up. Hall is overrated plain and simple -- but im sure you've seen the argument now that atlantas scheme is what is getting him burnt.... :roll:
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Without Newman, we are a terrible team. That's how much I respect his play. You are exactly right about our secondary. Roy is our interception specialist... that alone speaks volumes about their ability to create turnovers.

Which is a big reason why... Reggie Nelson is my #1 player on my big board.

My DC Big Board:
1. Reggie Nelson - There are still Pat Watkins supporters...and I'm still in support of keeping him on the team. ...but Nelson is the answer.

2. OT (BPA) - Don't tell me McQuistan is our future.

3. Tank Tyler - A beastly lineman. Some wonder if he could play NT in the 3-4, but I think he could.

4. Justin Blalock - Been a favorite for a long time... but there are other ways to fill OG.

5. Michael Griffin - Love what he brings to the table.
Have you watched Michael Johnson outta arizona?
No, but Mel Kiper is trying his darndest to get some attention on him.
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Without Newman, we are a terrible team. That's how much I respect his play. You are exactly right about our secondary. Roy is our interception specialist... that alone speaks volumes about their ability to create turnovers.

Which is a big reason why... Reggie Nelson is my #1 player on my big board.

My DC Big Board:
1. Reggie Nelson - There are still Pat Watkins supporters...and I'm still in support of keeping him on the team. ...but Nelson is the answer.

2. OT (BPA) - Don't tell me McQuistan is our future.

3. Tank Tyler - A beastly lineman. Some wonder if he could play NT in the 3-4, but I think he could.

4. Justin Blalock - Been a favorite for a long time... but there are other ways to fill OG.

5. Michael Griffin - Love what he brings to the table.
Have you watched Michael Johnson outta arizona?
No, but Mel Kiper is trying his darndest to get some attention on him.
He sorta turned me on to him. If he runs as good as kiper says...I think he would be a good option.

But really 3 Safeties could go before we pick. Landy/Nelson/Griffin I don't think it happens but good to keep our eyes open for something else. I don't think parcells goes west coast to often.
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My Big Board:

1. OG - Justin Blalock - if he gets taken early we need to go NT or skill
2. CB - Marcus McCauley - would definetly be a quick contributor
3. S - Reggie Nelson - Nelson has natural skills that noone can be taught
4. NT - Tank Tyler - can sure up our d-line and give us youth across the board
5. WR - Sidney Rice - perfect blend of size and speed

Im not sold on tossing JJ out just yet. I think this is just a hot topic at the time, because of the fact that Barber is getting all the press. I like having the 2 to switch the running styles and keeping defenders guessing. I'd like to see us grab a QB late to add te depth we need. On day one I'd see us grab at least one skill and maybe a NT. Im looking for them to grab an OL from FA and an OL on day-one of the draft. If it doesnt look like a situation where we are gonna get a NT we should go back to the skill spots.
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My Big Board:

1. OG - Justin Blalock - if he gets taken early we need to go NT or skill
2. CB - Marcus McCauley - would definetly be a quick contributor
3. S - Reggie Nelson - Nelson has natural skills that noone can be taught
4. NT - Tank Tyler - can sure up our d-line and give us youth across the board
5. WR - Sidney Rice - perfect blend of size and speed

Im not sold on tossing JJ out just yet. I think this is just a hot topic at the time, because of the fact that Barber is getting all the press. I like having the 2 to switch the running styles and keeping defenders guessing. I'd like to see us grab a QB late to add te depth we need. On day one I'd see us grab at least one skill and maybe a NT. Im looking for them to grab an OL from FA and an OL on day-one of the draft. If it doesnt look like a situation where we are gonna get a NT we should go back to the skill spots.
Have you seen McCauley play? Or are you basing this off "experts" opinions? Just asking.
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Come on guys, let's show some more respect for the owner of the site.

How does everyone here feel about MBIII vs JJ? I personally feel that MBIII fits your system better.
I can only assume this was directed at me but I'm a little confused. How was that disrespectful to Scott? I was just voicing a dissenting opinion in what I believe was a respectful manner.
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How does everyone here feel about MBIII vs JJ? I personally feel that MBIII fits your system better.
I can only assume this was directed at me but I'm a little confused. How was that disrespectful to Scott? I was just voicing a dissenting opinion in what I believe was a respectful manner.
I just think Scott's assessment of Columbo is incorrect.
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Come on guys, let's show some more respect for the owner of the site.

How does everyone here feel about MBIII vs JJ? I personally feel that MBIII fits your system better.
I can only assume this was directed at me but I'm a little confused. How was that disrespectful to Scott? I was just voicing a dissenting opinion in what I believe was a respectful manner.
I don't think it was you. I couldve sworn I read somewhere someone call him an idiot or something. Maybe I read something wrong.
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Does anyone have the video of Williams intercepting mcnabb last year?
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Ok, some of the comments from people that I respect on this board are completely off base. I have no idea why, but your information is just plain wrong.

First - On the secondary / interception issue. Dallas is #8 in the NFL in INTs at 14. 16 INTS would be good enough for 4th place, it's not as if Dallas isn't doing a good job of intercepting the ball, in fact, Dallas' Defense is 4th in the entire NFL at causing turn overs. Compared to say Washington which is dead last.

Second - regarding the OL. Dallas is #8 in the NFL in total rushing yards (without a rushing QB like Tennessee and Atlanta to skew the stats btw). Dallas is 2nd in the NFL in rushing TDs. Dallas is 4th in the NFL in passing yards. Dallas is 15th in the NFL in Sacks allowed, despite the fact that Bledsoe took a disproportionate amount of sacks at the position than most NFL quarterbacks.

If it's known that Dallas doesn't have a feature back like LT, LJ or Emmit Smith. It's known that TO drops too many passes and Witten had been underperforming early in the season. It's known that Romo is an inexperienced QB. Now, how can anyone know all this, and look at the statistics and then conclude that the OL is a major problem?

If Shaun Alexander and LJ are said to be successful b/c of their OL. If Denver's RB's are given no credit because of the OL. If Edgerrin James is given a pass b/c the OL is bad in Arizona, then how does the Dallas OL get so little respect? The bottom line is that the OL is not only not bad, it's actually GOOD.

READ WITH ME - the Dallas OL is GOOD. It's not a weakness of the team. The facts are hard to bear for some people but they are indeed facts.

You cannot conclude the Rushing proficiency is due to a stud back. You cannot conclude that the WR's are destroying teams. You cannot conclude that John Elway is the QB so the OL doesn't matter. You have to conclude that either ROMO is the best QB in the game (which is a silly conclusion) or that the OL is indeed Good.
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I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.
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You guys can't have Reggie Nelson! We need him more! :evil: :evil:





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I agree with you on Newman. A big part of me wishes Balaskonis was still here so I could give him props for being all about him this past offseason. I told him that he was overrating Newman, but the kid is the real deal.
He IMed me telling me to vote for Newman for the pro bowl.
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Ok, some of the comments from people that I respect on this board are completely off base. I have no idea why, but your information is just plain wrong.

First - On the secondary / interception issue. Dallas is #8 in the NFL in INTs at 14. 16 INTS would be good enough for 4th place, it's not as if Dallas isn't doing a good job of intercepting the ball, in fact, Dallas' Defense is 4th in the entire NFL at causing turn overs. Compared to say Washington which is dead last.

Second - regarding the OL. Dallas is #8 in the NFL in total rushing yards (without a rushing QB like Tennessee and Atlanta to skew the stats btw). Dallas is 2nd in the NFL in rushing TDs. Dallas is 4th in the NFL in passing yards. Dallas is 15th in the NFL in Sacks allowed, despite the fact that Bledsoe took a disproportionate amount of sacks at the position than most NFL quarterbacks.

If it's known that Dallas doesn't have a feature back like LT, LJ or Emmit Smith. It's known that TO drops too many passes and Witten had been underperforming early in the season. It's known that Romo is an inexperienced QB. Now, how can anyone know all this, and look at the statistics and then conclude that the OL is a major problem?

If Shaun Alexander and LJ are said to be successful b/c of their OL. If Denver's RB's are given no credit because of the OL. If Edgerrin James is given a pass b/c the OL is bad in Arizona, then how does the Dallas OL get so little respect? The bottom line is that the OL is not only not bad, it's actually GOOD.

READ WITH ME - the Dallas OL is GOOD. It's not a weakness of the team. The facts are hard to bear for some people but they are indeed facts.

You cannot conclude the Rushing proficiency is due to a stud back. You cannot conclude that the WR's are destroying teams. You cannot conclude that John Elway is the QB so the OL doesn't matter. You have to conclude that either ROMO is the best QB in the game (which is a silly conclusion) or that the OL is indeed Good.
Just want to clarify a couple of things.

1. The team does a good job at INTs, but most are from the LB core. How many of those INTs are attributed to your corners? Probably less than 40%, which goes back to my statement that the corners play the man and not the ball. The LBs in your scheme primarily hover in the middle and play a zone, so theres a chance for INTs, but the secondary does not get many INTs. I probably shouldve specified this, I made the error of attributing their lack of INTs to the entire defense, and I was incorrect for doing that.

2. The oline. The oline has played well since Romo came in. Ive stated before that Bledsoe has made this oline look much worse than it really is. In fact, he's made every oline he's played with look much worse than it is. But at the same time, Romo is one of the best qb's in the game at buying time. He's very elusive. He is on the opposite spectrum, he makes them look better than they really are. I personally think theyre a middle tier oline, not the best, not the worst.

3. The oline isn't bad, no doubt. But looking at this team, what other needs do you really have? You have a solid WR core. Im not sold on WR as a need, I think Crayton is solid at the 3 spot, and you can get later round WRs to fill an injury void if need be. RB is good with the 1, 2 punch you have. Defense is set in all positions except FS, but its too early to give up on Watkins, and with the safety depth in this draft, one can be had in round 2. So what else is there to draft? Ive said it before, and I'll say it again. You can never have TOO much oline. For a team with really no key areas of concern, I think drafting an olinemen in round 1 makes perfect sense. And an OG in round 3 in a draft rich in OG talent would make perfect sense too. Middle tier oline is good, but a top tier oline is even better. In a game decided in the trenches, why not go for it?
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I'm with BBD.

Stats are like bikinis... they show some things, but not all.

LSU, pull that bikini down and you'll see what we see!
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1. OG - Justin Blalock - if he gets taken early we need to go NT or skill
2. CB - Marcus McCauley - would definetly be a quick contributor
3. S - Reggie Nelson - Nelson has natural skills that noone can be taught
4. NT - Tank Tyler - can sure up our d-line and give us youth across the board
5. WR - Sidney Rice - perfect blend of size and speed

Im not sold on tossing JJ out just yet. I think this is just a hot topic at the time, because of the fact that Barber is getting all the press. I like having the 2 to switch the running styles and keeping defenders guessing. I'd like to see us grab a QB late to add te depth we need. On day one I'd see us grab at least one skill and maybe a NT. Im looking for them to grab an OL from FA and an OL on day-one of the draft. If it doesnt look like a situation where we are gonna get a NT we should go back to the skill spots.
Have you seen McCauley play? Or are you basing this off "experts" opinions? Just asking.
Mostly off rankings, I hate making these boards so early because I like to see what these guys do at the combine/school visits then make one accordingly. I really think we need a young CB to plug in before Glenn leaves though. Where do you stand on CB?
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Does anyone have the video of Williams intercepting mcnabb last year?
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For me at CB, I am very high on Jonathan Wade from Tennessee. He plays very well, and he's going in the mid-rounds. Big steal IMO. I really want him.
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