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Old 12-11-2006, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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wow, schobel is tied for the league lead in sacks. nice
London Fletcher top 5 dpoy candidate

All Bills aside, Taylor should win it
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wow, schobel is tied for the league lead in sacks. nice
London Fletcher top 5 dpoy candidate

All Bills aside, Taylor should win it
It didn't wind up in a sack, but did you see this one play?

The commentators go "Dbrick is having his hands full with Schobel" and the very next play, Schobel absolutely slams Dbrick on the floor and goes right at Pennington who threw it away to avoid a sack.

That was crazy...he destroyed Dbrick yesterday.

And Im starting to turn the corner on Schobel...he's been very good this year and last year.

I mentioned Merriman and not Schobel because Merriman did it with 4 less games, and as a Rushbacker.

And yes, Fletcher is like Zach Thomas...no love for a great player.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
I say no (although I didn't vote) because I don't think he deserves it, it has nothing to do with steroids. If you miss 1/4th of the season, I don't care how well you play the other 12, you don't deserve it, I don't care if it's because you're on crack or your hurt your foot bowling.

Plus, he's not the leader of his team, and he's at least partially responsible for one the Chargers only two losses this year (trying to decapitate Todd Heap at the 2 yard line rather than simply tackling him).

Merriman is a tremendous player, and likely will win the award sometime in his career, but not this year.
No offense, but I think that is a ridiculously dumb qualifier that a player must play in all of his team's games to win a major award. He's played in enough games to tie for the league lead in sacks. I don't know what else the guy needs to do.

To clarify, the topic said is Shawne Merriman worthy of DPOY and that is yes. Should he win it is up for debate, but he should without a doubt be in the mix. Anything less is biased nonsense.
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It didn't wind up in a sack, but did you see this one play?

The commentators go "Dbrick is having his hands full with Schobel" and the very next play, Schobel absolutely slams Dbrick on the floor and goes right at Pennington who threw it away to avoid a sack.

That was crazy...he destroyed Dbrick yesterday.

Yeah I flipped over and saw that play. It lends some credence to the concern some had over D'Brick before the draft, his lean build leaving him vunerable to power rushes.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
I say no (although I didn't vote) because I don't think he deserves it, it has nothing to do with steroids. If you miss 1/4th of the season, I don't care how well you play the other 12, you don't deserve it, I don't care if it's because you're on crack or your hurt your foot bowling.

Plus, he's not the leader of his team, and he's at least partially responsible for one the Chargers only two losses this year (trying to decapitate Todd Heap at the 2 yard line rather than simply tackling him).

Merriman is a tremendous player, and likely will win the award sometime in his career, but not this year.
No offense, but I think that is a ridiculously dumb qualifier that a player must play in all of his team's games to win a major award. He's played in enough games to tie for the league lead in sacks. I don't know what else the guy needs to do.

To clarify, the topic said is Shawne Merriman worthy of DPOY and that is yes. Should he win it is up for debate, but he should without a doubt be in the mix. Anything less is biased nonsense.
I can't see somebody who was suspended for violating the substance abuse policy winning the DPOY award. It just won't happen.
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His season would be worthy of it if Jason Taylor wasn't so amazing. He is a bit overrated by the media IMO however. I heard a guy on the radio this morning saying he was going to be better than Lawrence Taylor. A little too early to be calling him the greatest defensive player of all time.
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wow, schobel is tied for the league lead in sacks. nice
London Fletcher top 5 dpoy candidate

All Bills aside, Taylor should win it
It didn't wind up in a sack, but did you see this one play?

The commentators go "Dbrick is having his hands full with Schobel" and the very next play, Schobel absolutely slams Dbrick on the floor and goes right at Pennington who threw it away to avoid a sack.

That was crazy...he destroyed Dbrick yesterday.

And Im starting to turn the corner on Schobel...he's been very good this year and last year.

I mentioned Merriman and not Schobel because Merriman did it with 4 less games, and as a Rushbacker.

And yes, Fletcher is like Zach Thomas...no love for a great player.
I only brought up Schobel because I just saw the stat and it seemed relevant, but yeah he had an amazing game yesterday.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
I say no (although I didn't vote) because I don't think he deserves it, it has nothing to do with steroids. If you miss 1/4th of the season, I don't care how well you play the other 12, you don't deserve it, I don't care if it's because you're on crack or your hurt your foot bowling.

Plus, he's not the leader of his team, and he's at least partially responsible for one the Chargers only two losses this year (trying to decapitate Todd Heap at the 2 yard line rather than simply tackling him).

Merriman is a tremendous player, and likely will win the award sometime in his career, but not this year.
No offense, but I think that is a ridiculously dumb qualifier that a player must play in all of his team's games to win a major award. He's played in enough games to tie for the league lead in sacks. I don't know what else the guy needs to do.

To clarify, the topic said is Shawne Merriman worthy of DPOY and that is yes. Should he win it is up for debate, but he should without a doubt be in the mix. Anything less is biased nonsense.
I can't see somebody who was suspended for violating the substance abuse policy winning the DPOY award. It just won't happen.
If that is the only thing keeping him from winning it, the award itself is a farce. It's not a man of the year award.
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Just keep in mind that if he doesn't get it, whoever does get it will essentially be a poser unless their name is Urlacher. No defensive player has been more dominant on the field than Shawne this year, and the numbers don't even tell the whole story. He's forced interceptions, ruined countless plays with his constant pressure, and to boot nobody runs on him.

That said, he won't get it. No dice. 4 game suspension.




Seriously watch this guy fly around it's insane. He had a flying leap from like twenty feet away to club somebody Igor had already mostly taken down.
Your a ******* homer too. JT has had a much better year then him.

JT- 11.5 sacks, 8 force fumbles, and two int's both return for a td. And keep in mind that JT has been consistantly putting pressure on the QB's and plus, he didn't cheat.
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I would just like to point out JT has twice as many FF, twice as many INTs, and nearly twice as many PDs, and he has more tackles and Merriman only has 1 more sack. Even if Merriman missed 4 games with injury he hasn't had as good of a year as Taylor and the steroids are irrelevant. Add in the roids and I see no possibilty of Merriman gettin it.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
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According to the 'once caught he never deserves an award' argument, Julius Peppers should never win it either. Ephedra is banned acrossed the board by pro sports, it's noted for being a stimulant similar to adrenaline. And looking at his body, can anyone honestly say that a 6'6" 280-lbs, 4.7, 40-inch guy is like that naturally? He no doubt is on HGH, which is something a likely shocking amount of football players are on.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
Then let me clarify. Bonds admitted steroid usage to a grand jury. Therefore, no difference. To say that Merriman does not ever deserve an award is laughable. As long as he's allowed to play in the NFL he is deserving of any award that his performance warrants. The level of self righteousness in your post is amazing.
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According to the 'once caught he never deserves an award' argument, Julius Peppers should never win it either. Ephedra is banned acrossed the board by pro sports, it's noted for being a stimulant similar to adrenaline. And looking at his body, can anyone honestly say that a 6'6" 280-lbs, 4.7, 40-inch guy is like that naturally? He no doubt is on HGH, which is something a likely shocking amount of football players are on.
LOL, ephedra is hardly comparable to anabolic steroids.

Any player in the NFL COULD have used HGH, but this isn't a witch hunt. Merriman actually got caught with steroids, we don't have to guess with him.

He is 100%, without a doubt, a cheater.
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Ephedra is a worth the same four game suspension as Nandrolone.

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Oft-mocked Todd Sauerbrun's suspension was because of Ephedra. If using any performance enhancer is 'cheating' then it should have a broad definition to any and every performance supplement.
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And he was suspended for what? Oh yea, steroids. I don't think so. JT gets my vote right now.
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i doubt he wins it because of the steroids, but he is arguably the most dominant defensive player in the league....
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Oft-mocked Todd Sauerbrun's suspension was because of Ephedra. If using any performance enhancer is 'cheating' then it should have a broad definition to any and every performance supplement.
Never said they didn't earn the same suspension, just that they aren't comparable when we're discussing Merriman's situation.

You can't paint this situation with a broad brush. A suspension from ephedra isn't nearly as concerning as being caught using anabolic steroids, which is a blatant attempt to circumvent the rules.
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He is a great defender and is having a great year but with the suspension I don't think he'll get it. It will probably go to a guy like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Champ Bailey or Brian Urlacher.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
Then let me clarify. Bonds admitted steroid usage to a grand jury. Therefore, no difference. To say that Merriman does not ever deserve an award is laughable. As long as he's allowed to play in the NFL he is deserving of any award that his performance warrants. The level of self righteousness in your post is amazing.
Well, perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
Then let me clarify. Bonds admitted steroid usage to a grand jury. Therefore, no difference. To say that Merriman does not ever deserve an award is laughable. As long as he's allowed to play in the NFL he is deserving of any award that his performance warrants. The level of self righteousness in your post is amazing.
Well, perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL.
Can we disband the Raiders while we're at it, having employed Lyle Alzado and Bill Romanowski?
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
Then let me clarify. Bonds admitted steroid usage to a grand jury. Therefore, no difference. To say that Merriman does not ever deserve an award is laughable. As long as he's allowed to play in the NFL he is deserving of any award that his performance warrants. The level of self righteousness in your post is amazing.
Well, perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL.
As a Broncos fan, I concur.
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Yes. Steroid rumors didn't keep Bonds from winning seven MVP's. It isn't a man of the year award. The question is, is he worthy of the DPOY award and the answer is plainly yes. That so many people voted no is just biased and stupid. Get over yourselves.
Streriod rumors vs. actually getting caught. There is a huge difference. Shawne Merriman was actually caught using performance enhancing drugs--tainting the game. He does not now, nor does he ever deserve any award.
Then let me clarify. Bonds admitted steroid usage to a grand jury. Therefore, no difference. To say that Merriman does not ever deserve an award is laughable. As long as he's allowed to play in the NFL he is deserving of any award that his performance warrants. The level of self righteousness in your post is amazing.
Well, perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL.
Can we disband the Raiders while we're at it, having employed Lyle Alzado and Bill Romanowski?
Did I say we were going to disband the Chargers? No. I said maybe Merriman should not be allowed to play in the NFL.

I think the punishment for using steroids, first time, should be at least 1 full year. A second offense at any point during the rest of the player's career would be a lifetime ban.

Yes, Romo used steroids. Yes, Alzado used steroids. (although I don't know if they were illegal at the point) So did Barrett Robbins and Chris Cooper. I'm glad that all of them are gone from the Raiders. I find it incredibly disgusting when people try to illegally cut corners to make themselves better. When people artificially raise the level of the playing field. It's despicable to me. Shawne Merriman knew EXACTLY what he was doing as he was taking the steroids. There is absolutely no excuse. All he receives is a 4 game suspension? PLEASE!
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i couldn't really care less, although i think taylor is more deserving, but his stats from yesterday shouldn't be a big exclamation point on his year as he was abusing the equivalent of a high school left tackle.

my vote would be no on him if i had a gun to my head, but then, i think san diego fans are only defending him because he's on san diego. had peyton manning been caught with steroids, i'm sure they'd be jumping all over themselves to agree that it should disqualify him from contending with LT for the award.
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