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Old 12-11-2006, 06:40 AM    (permalink
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I think that it's foolish to award the ROY award to the player who has the most impact on his team. That is what the MVP award is for, ROY should be awarded based upon individual achievements. This "what have you done for me lately" attitude is foolish. Vince Young was stinking up the house on his first bunch of games. Is this an indictment of his ability to succeed at the quarterback position? Of course not. However, simply because he's had three (or is it four?) come from behind victories doesn't negate the awful performances before. Colston was a shoe in five weeks ago, and although he missed a few games due to injury should still be the frontrunner. Mo Jo has been taking care of business, however he shouldn't be ahead of Coltson because of a few stellar games either. The DROY, DeMeco Ryans, would probably be second, with Mo Jo third.
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I think that it's foolish to award the ROY award to the player who has the most impact on his team. That is what the MVP award is for, ROY should be awarded based upon individual achievements.
Silly me....I was under the impression that ROY was the MVP award for rookies.
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Vince wins it for me. He's had some huge wins this year and few expected him to play so well so soon.
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I think if the season ended now, Colston should still win. You have to look at the entire body of work, and not just the last few games. If Colston continues to put up below average numbers over the next three games and Young and Jones-Drew continue their play, then I'd bump one of them past Colston. But from day one to now, Colston has been the ROY.
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I think that it's foolish to award the ROY award to the player who has the most impact on his team. That is what the MVP award is for, ROY should be awarded based upon individual achievements.
Silly me....I was under the impression that ROY was the MVP award for rookies.
So because Colston and Maurice Jones-Drew landed in better situations they should be penalized for not being the only impact players on their team? It isn't most valuable rookie, it's rookie of the year. The only reason that Young is being mentioned as a serious candidate is because he has gotten hot at the right time. Colston had it looked away earlier in the year, and barring a catastrophic meltdown, it's his award. That said, Young will probably win.
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I think that it's foolish to award the ROY award to the player who has the most impact on his team. That is what the MVP award is for, ROY should be awarded based upon individual achievements.
Silly me....I was under the impression that ROY was the MVP award for rookies.
Then you would be unquestionably wrong. It is absolutely NOT the MVP for rookies. Look it up. It awards the most impressive individual performance for rookies. That's it.
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And all of you are severly underating the high chance that Reggie Bush still has of winning this, whether you like it or not.
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Yah if Bush doesn't slow down he wins by default.

MJD is sick though.


Young can break his leg for all I care, I was at the Rose Bowl, it sucked. :D
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I would give it to Marques Coltson.
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I'm gonnna have to go with VY cause I have been a big supporter of him ever since he came out of high school and he has lead the Titans to a 6-4 record. I do think however Colston has to be considered because he was the biggest surprise on the biggest surprise team. The Saints would not be 9-4 without him.
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The thing about Colston is he has a lot of attention diverted from him to Reggie Bush.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating? It's still only hovering around 65. My vote would be for Maurice Jones-Drew. He's the best touchdown maker on a playoff team.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
My point is you cannot compare the struggles of Reggie Bush with the struggles of Vince Young. Young wasn't expected to put up good passing 'stats,' Reggie Bush was expected to be productive as a runner, in their respective rookie seasons.
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I hate how ROY and OROY have pretty much become synonomous defensive players should get some consideration. Demeco has been more dominant than just about any other rookie on any side of the ball.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
Titans with Vince Young 6-4.
Titans with Reggie Bush 0-10.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
Titans with Vince Young 6-4.
Titans with Reggie Bush 0-10.
What about the Titans with Steve McNair and Reggie Bush? What would their record be?
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
Titans with Vince Young 6-4.
Titans with Reggie Bush 0-10.
What about the Titans with Steve McNair and Reggie Bush? What would their record be?
That doesn't matter. McNair was gone even if they hadn't drafted Young. It was a money issue.

A Kerry Collins and Reggie Bush combo wouldn't have won many games.
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I have a hard time giving the ROY to a guy with 51.7 completion % and a 66 QB rating. Statistically Matt Leinart is better in every major passing category. Other than the last 3 weeks Young has been pretty bad. I think it is between Drew, Bush and Colston, and maybe Addai if he turns it up.
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I have a hard time giving the ROY to a guy with 51.7 completion % and a 66 QB rating. Statistically Matt Leinart is better in every major passing category. Other than the last 3 weeks Young has been pretty bad. I think it is between Drew, Bush and Colston, and maybe Addai if he turns it up.
You are also have to put in Young rushing #'s and there are three games left, right now i would say
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But with three games left this could change alot IMO.
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If Bush should not win it because of his lackluster rushing efforts, should Vince Young not be penalized for his lackluster passer rating?

Different positions, rookie 'Backs usually succeed right away, while rooke Quarterbacks do not.
I don't understand your point. Are you insinuating that a rookie QB with mediocre to bad numbers deserves ROY over running backs with good numbers?
Titans with Vince Young 6-4.
Titans with Reggie Bush 0-10.
What about the Titans with Steve McNair and Reggie Bush? What would their record be?
McNair wouldn't have helped us much if any, because Young is opening the passing and rushing game for Henry with his legs, Bush would make an impact with us.
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I hate how ROY and OROY have pretty much become synonomous defensive players should get some consideration. Demeco has been more dominant than just about any other rookie on any side of the ball.
I agree
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I absolutely agree about DeMeco Ryans....in light of what he's done, it's hard to argue for anyone else as DROY. He takes it hands-down, IMO. Ryans' performance as a rookie has impressed me more than Merriman's rookie performance last year.....and Merriman had a helluva year last year.
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