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Old 01-19-2008, 03:23 PM    (permalink
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Babs wouldn't do well at that position...there's just no way for him to pull that off. He's a DT / DE not superman. He and Coleman while they are 'too short' according to you and according to ideal doesn't mean they don't play with enough leverage to hold the point of attack. They'd be our solution for that position for this year at least.
He does not have to be superman. Out of college prospectprofiles said he had the type of ability to line up anywhere on the defensive line or even middlelinebacker. He has more than enough athletic ability. Most Buck ILBs run 4.8s; Babineaux runs a 4.7. Eric Foster, Rutgers DE/ DT, is looked at by scouts as a buck ILB. A buck ILB needs to take on a lot of blocks and Babineaux would do that. He would likely need to get into the mid 270 range. 6'2 275 4.7. While it is not a sure thing he would do better there than at a 3-4 DE, where he would be short and low in weight.

If he would have a long term future with the team in the 3-4 it would be at the Buck ILB IMO.
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:27 PM    (permalink
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He doesn't have a long term future int he 3-4 he'd be gone next season. He doesn't have the coverage ability to play ILB...yes their main role isn't coverage, but that's called on from time to time, but considering he's been able to handle guards and pushing them around a good bit, 3-4 DE would be a fine position for him because he's able to get leverage.
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Too short. Too small. Too weak.

He is at best when penetrating, not holding ground. At buck ILB he would mostly blitz and stop the run. He probably would not have a future with the team in the 3-4 but it is a shame because he causes havoc in the backfield.
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You describing yourself? I mean you don't know what he could do at that position...if you remember he did a fine job when playing RE 2 seasons ago, yes I know it's not the same situation, but he could very well expand his ability and play 3-4 DE...simply because he's not the 'ideal' size, doesn't mean he's not a great football player. Just like Demeco Ryans...who if I remember right fell because of his size...a guy like Ernie Sims...tiny...but able to do it...Warrick Dunn...10000 yards...Jerome Bettis...WAY too big for a RB right? You can't fit everyone in the perfect mold, he could very well be capable as our stop gap at the 3-4 end position.
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You describing yourself? I mean you don't know what he could do at that position...if you remember he did a fine job when playing RE 2 seasons ago, yes I know it's not the same situation, but he could very well expand his ability and play 3-4 DE...simply because he's not the 'ideal' size, doesn't mean he's not a great football player. Just like Demeco Ryans...who if I remember right fell because of his size...a guy like Ernie Sims...tiny...but able to do it...Warrick Dunn...10000 yards...Jerome Bettis...WAY too big for a RB right? You can't fit everyone in the perfect mold, he could very well be capable as our stop gap at the 3-4 end position.
No, I am pretty strong and decent sized. But lets not get into that.

He did a fine job? What? Did you watch us play that season? We got gashed in the run game and he could not get around offensive tackles in the passing game. His arms are too short. He played horrible.

Completely different. Ryans is a ballhawk and Sims as well. MLBs can perform if they have big boys up front. They have been doing it for year, Derrick Brooks and Vilma are examples

Dunn, small backs have done it for years. Two of the all time leading rushers were undersized, those being Barry Sanders (5'8", 200) and Emmitt Smith (5'9" 215). And Warrick never was a true workhorse.

Bettis was huge and in a power running game. He was only 250 when young. Plenty have done good at 250.

Looking at top 3-4 defensive ends. Seymour (6'6" 310), Ngata (6'4" 340), Bryant Young (6'3" 305), Trevor Pryce (6'5" 286), Marcus Spears (6'4" 300), Chris Canty (6'7" 300), Igor Olshansky (6'6" 310). The only ones similar in size are Jarvis Green (6'3" 285) and Luis Castillo (6'3" 290), and they are still bigger.
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No, I am pretty strong and decent sized. But lets not get into that.

He did a fine job? What? Did you watch us play that season? We got gashed in the run game and he could not get around offensive tackles in the passing game. His arms are too short. He played horrible.

Completely different. Ryans is a ballhawk and Sims as well. MLBs can perform if they have big boys up front. They have been doing it for year, Derrick Brooks and Vilma are examples

Dunn, small backs have done it for years. Two of the all time leading rushers were undersized, those being Barry Sanders (5'8", 200) and Emmitt Smith (5'9" 215). And Warrick never was a true workhorse.

Bettis was huge and in a power running game. He was only 250 when young. Plenty have done good at 250.

Looking at top 3-4 defensive ends. Seymour (6'6" 310), Ngata (6'4" 340), Bryant Young (6'3" 305), Trevor Pryce (6'5" 286), Marcus Spears (6'4" 300), Chris Canty (6'7" 300), Igor Olshansky (6'6" 310). The only ones similar in size are Jarvis Green (6'3" 285) and Luis Castillo (6'3" 290), and they are still bigger.
Not much bigger...and to say he could drop to 270 is just as easy if not easier to gain weight...so he could end up at 295 just as easily...If nothing else you can see based on your own argument that there are no specifications to the 'perfect' 3-4 DE...they all have strengths and weaknesses...it's wait and see. But standing up vs hands on the ground...not going to be an easy transition because it's totally different vision and style wise.
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Too short of arms, and too short. JMO.
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That may end up being the case...but like I said...stop gap...not permanent fixture there. He'd be significantly more suited to play there than LB though.
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Agree to disagree.
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