Originally Posted by Geo
Crazy as it may seem, the two points can be and are unrelated to one another.
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How long did first ballot Hall of Famer Darrell Green wait again?
And how the hell would you know if Dean and Tippett were lesser players.
Darrell Green didn't have alot of other cornerbacks he was going up against, now did he? There was a log jam with Derrick Thomas, Richard Dent, Fred Dean, and Andre Tippett. I believe Derrick Thomas was the best out of all of them.
How do I know DT was better than Dean and Tippett were lesser players? Well I have never seen them play myself but Kansas City Star and ESPN writer Jason Whitlock gave some good insight on this article:
Hall voters reject Derrick Thomas for lesser talents
P HOENIX | The word around the Pro Football Hall of Fame news conference on Saturday was that Derrick Thomas inched closer to induction.
Bob Gretz, Thomasí presenter, did a fine job and Hall voters had virtually nothing negative to say about Thomasí candidacy, according to my sources.
Thomas, the nine-time Pro Bowl pass rusher for the Chiefs, got caught in a logjam of quarterback chasers and was symbolically asked to wait while Hall voters righted previous wrongs.
So Fred Dean and Andre Tippett ó lesser players than Thomas, in my opinion ó were welcomed into the Hall while Thomas was put on hold for a fourth consecutive year.
I donít like it.
The entire 2008 class, with the exception of Washington cornerback Darrell Green, is a statement about rewarding borderline Hall of Famers for waiting patiently. Itís as if Hall voters are afraid of creating another Harry Carson, the bitter 2007 inductee who whined his way into Canton.
Art Monk, Washingtonís longtime No. 2 receiver, got his Hall ticket punched while Cris Carter, one of the leagueís great receivers, was denied a first-ballot induction. Criminal. No team ever devised a game plan to stop Art Monk. He put up great numbers because he played forever. He belongs in the longevity Hall of Fame.
Denver and Minnesota left tackle Gary Zimmerman was the second-best modern-era player inducted on Saturday. I canít really knock his selection. He was a very good left tackle. Heís not in the same class as Anthony Munoz or Willie Roaf, but Zimmermanís Hall bid doesnít bother me.
I never saw Emmitt Thomas play, so I will not comment on his selection by the veteransí committee.
However, making Thomas wait while Fred Dean gets in is infuriating. During his 11-year career, Dean started 82 of 141 games. Dean, a defensive end, spent the second half of his career (1981-85) coming off the bench, playing strictly on passing downs. He was a role player, a nickel back, a special-teams gunner, Billy ďWhite ShoesĒ Johnson.
Someone dust off Steve Taskerís Hall of Fame resume. Pressuring the quarterback on third down is very, very important. But so is downing a punt inside the 10 or tackling a return man inside the 20.
Fred Dean was one-dimensional. He earned four Pro Bowls berths. Yes, he was a member of the 49ersí 1982 Super Bowl squad. And yes, he had an amazing 17 1/2 -sack season in 1983 when the 49ers went 10-6 and lost in the NFC championship.
Fred Dean had a flash of greatness Ö as a role player. But Iím not buying the contention that he was some sort of innovator because he was the ďfirstĒ situational pass rusher. Unless youíre Gale Sayers and were felled by injury, you need a full body of work to enter the Hall of Fame.
As for Andre Tippett, my main gripe is my belief that heís not better than Thomas. But Tippett did collect 100 sacks while playing linebacker on the strong side (over the tight end). Thatís rather impressive. He was certainly a force to be contained. He did help the Patriots advance to the 1986 Super Bowl, the one the Bears dominated.
However, the job of the Hall of Fame selection committee isnít to make the old-timers happy. Good players arenít supposed to get in. Players who were momentarily great arenít supposed to get in, either. The Hall is supposed to be reserved for the best of the best, the players we will never forget.
Iím a hardcore football person. Until Saturday, I never even considered the possibility of Fred Dean entering the Hall of Fame. Is Dean the first non-starter to make the Hall?
You can easily write the history of the NFL without including a sentence about Monk, Dean and Tippett.
Meanwhile, Derrick Thomas, Cris Carter and Randall McDaniel, an offensive guard with an identical resume as Will Shields, have to wait until next year. Derrick Thomas isnít here to gripe, complain and make Hall voters embarrassed for overlooking him.
Iím glad of that because Iím tired of the Hall announcement turning into a whine session about some good player who convinced a couple of influential broadcasters and voters that he was great.