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Old 01-26-2008, 05:20 PM    (permalink
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I was reading the all nfc Central team and wondered who would make the all bust team. being a viking fan I can attest the following guys as complete busts.
QB Tavaris Jackson 2nd rounder?
HB Ciatrick Fason this guy hasnt even carried the ball 50 times in his entire career
Wr Troy williamson The guy couldnt catch a cup of water if he fell out of a boat.
OL Ryan Cook again 2nd rounder?
DL Kenichi Udueze the guy is good on run defense but has never lived up to his billing. Erasumus James the only guy to play less then robert smith did his first 4 years @ the vikings
Pretty much any player taken in the 2006 draft classifys as a possible bust. Greenway and griffin are the only two players that keep it ok and these two guys both have their own issues
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For Green Bay:
Ahmad Carroll, CB
Jamal Reynolds, DE
Robert Ferguson, WR
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QBs Jackson Grossman any qb taken by the lions in the past 20 years
RBs any runningback taken by the bears in the last 10-15 years Kevin Jones Ciatrick fason branden jackson
WR Williamson Mike Williams
OL any lion in the past 5 years
DL any viking taken in the past 5-6 years
linebacker Boss Bailey
Cornerback Again the lions own the honor of drafting the worst corners ever and Ahmad Carol
Safety We have some of the least relivant safetys in all of the NFL with the exception of the bears.
It does seem to be kinda of a trademark in this division to have pennerial bad drafting at certain positions no matter who is runnning the show.
Detriot QBS OL RBS CBS
Vikings DL CB LB S
Bears RB WR QB
Packers OL RBS
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What kind of idiot would label Tarvaris Jackson as a bust at this time? Especially considering he was a project QB taken with the last pick of the second round in 06 and has shown many signs of progress in his development?...Not to mention he has only started 14 games. God I'm surprised you didn't put Aaron Rodgers down there as that would have more logic within it than Jackson.
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how is Charles Rogers not on this team?
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BTW Kevin Jones has not been a bust. When healthy, he is one of the more productive backs...he's played on an offense where in certain games we have ran the ball a total of 3 times... and he is entering a campaign where he could be the starter for 5 years.
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What kind of idiot would label Tarvaris Jackson as a bust at this time? Especially considering he was a project QB taken with the last pick of the second round in 06 and has shown many signs of progress in his development?...Not to mention he has only started 14 games. God I'm surprised you didn't put Aaron Rodgers down there as that would have more logic within it than Jackson.
come on man, just give it up. Jackson is a bust until he proves he can be an effective QB in this league. He has NOT done that to date. He had a few good games, but then regressed at the end of the season. Aaron Rodgers can't yet be considered a bust (although it was obviously a wasted pick thus far) because he has NEVER started a game... Jackson has at least had the opportunity to show that he blows.
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Jamal Reynolds, DE
Robert Ferguson, WR
Umm...Tony Mandarich? Arguably the biggest bust ever?
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come on man, just give it up. Jackson is a bust until he proves he can be an effective QB in this league. He has NOT done that to date. He had a few good games, but then regressed at the end of the season. Aaron Rodgers can't yet be considered a bust (although it was obviously a wasted pick thus far) because he has NEVER started a game... Jackson has at least had the opportunity to show that he blows.
I may have it very wrong but the reasoning here to me reads... showed flashes, but sucks because...because he sucks. I assume because he didnt carry us to the playoffs.

Dont get me wrong i'm completely open to the prospect of him being out of the league in a couple of years but my issue is more with you trying to sound like the other guy is mildly delusional for not calling someone a bust until you say otherwise. Maybe it's more due to my hesitation in calling project players at the most difficult position in football a bust after their 1st year starting, I dunno...I guess there probably is a rationale in protecting one player drafted in the 1st round because they haven't played and then killing a project player we reached on because they have had to play...
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Umm...Tony Mandarich? Arguably the biggest bust ever?
He's not still playing...

Niether are the first two players on his list.
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Oh...well in that case your options are pretty limited. As long as someone is still playing for the team that drafted them you really can't call them a bust yet.
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come on man, just give it up. Jackson is a bust until he proves he can be an effective QB in this league. He has NOT done that to date. He had a few good games, but then regressed at the end of the season. Aaron Rodgers can't yet be considered a bust (although it was obviously a wasted pick thus far) because he has NEVER started a game... Jackson has at least had the opportunity to show that he blows.
So by that same logic your using, do you think that Vince young, Matt Leinart are busts too? That is just absolutly ridiculous logic to use pertaining to a second year player especially at such a difficult position as QB.

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I was reading the all nfc Central team and wondered who would make the all bust team. being a viking fan I can attest the following guys as complete busts.
QB Tavaris Jackson 2nd rounder?
HB Ciatrick Fason this guy hasnt even carried the ball 50 times in his entire career
Wr Troy williamson The guy couldnt catch a cup of water if he fell out of a boat.
OL Ryan Cook again 2nd rounder?
DL Kenichi Udueze the guy is good on run defense but has never lived up to his billing. Erasumus James the only guy to play less then robert smith did his first 4 years @ the vikings
Pretty much any player taken in the 2006 draft classifys as a possible bust. Greenway and griffin are the only two players that keep it ok and these two guys both have their own issues
That is just a completely horrible list. Kenechi Udeze is not a bust, he isn't amazing but he is a solid LDE. The only players on that list that are a busts as of right now, are Troy Williamson and Erasmus James(Due to health issues).

Edit:Ciatrick Fason? I wouldn't calssify him as a bust because i don't know many people that have high expecations for a 4th round pick. And just to let you know he actually has carried the ball 50 times in his career.

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Yeah, I also don't know how Fason, a 4th rounder, is a bust? He sucks, but a 4th round pick is not really a guy for this kind of list.
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come on man, just give it up. Jackson is a bust until he proves he can be an effective QB in this league. He has NOT done that to date. He had a few good games, but then regressed at the end of the season. Aaron Rodgers can't yet be considered a bust (although it was obviously a wasted pick thus far) because he has NEVER started a game... Jackson has at least had the opportunity to show that he blows.
So according to your logic any draft pick who has received a decent amount of playing time and haven't proven to be above average are busts? I was basically just saying that it is very hard to condemn any player to be a bust as early in their career as both you and kid ego are claiming...especially when they were considered to be projects upon being drafted. According to this logic, many rookies should already be placed into the "bust" category as their performance thus far has just not been up to par with many of the other players at their respective positions.
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So by that same logic your using, do you think that Vince young, Matt Leinart are busts too? That is just absolutly ridiculous logic to use pertaining to a second year player especially at such a difficult position as QB.
Thank you, didn't see this before I posted above and was thinking of the same examples. Quite simply these players haven't gotten enough playing time in the NFL to be able to write them off as anything other than Incomplete. In addition to all of this, just how many quarterbacks are stars upon first coming into the NFL. One last thing is that I really disagree that Jackson regressed again at the end of last season.
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Thank you, didn't see this before I posted above and was thinking of the same examples. Quite simply these players haven't gotten enough playing time in the NFL to be able to write them off as anything other than Incomplete. In addition to all of this, just how many quarterbacks are stars upon first coming into the NFL. One last thing is that I really disagree that Jackson regressed again at the end of last season.
How could he regress if he never was somewhere to begin with? I don't understand why Vikings fans are still hung up on those back to back average games. I agree that he's not a bust yet, but at this point in his career he's a terrible quarterback. Maybe that will change, but like you said incomplete is the best to put him at right now.
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QB: Rex Grossman
-I would say it would be Grossman, all other QBs have been drafted in the last 3 years, jury is out on all of them. Grossman is the closest thing you can call a bust.
RB: Cedric Benson
-same as QB, Benson just didnt do well in his 1st stint at starter after 3 years in the league.
WR: Charles Rogers, David Terrell, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams
-All top 10 picks, 3 of the 4 arent even on their respective teams.
T: Marc Columbo
-Only one I can think of off the top of my head, couldnt stay healthy for us, but he is a good starter for the boys now.
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Seneca Wallace is a project notice he sits on the bench and watches and grows. WHAT KIND OF MORON WASTES A 2ND ROUND PICK ON PROJECTS?

This mentality is exactly why the vikings will never win a super bowl.
"Udueze and James" arent busts they just dont always stay healthy and even when they are they arent good pass rushers"
When a 36+ year old DT has more sacks in two years then your 2 1st round draft picks that you drafted to pass rush they officially become BUSTS

Ryan Cook isnt a bust we just havent found the right position for him yet. UHM yes we have the best Position for him is right next to the gatorade.

Between the 2 Draft Blunders and then our picks once we got to pick, The only reason we arent complete laughing stocks is we luckily are in the same division with the freakin Lions!!!!!

Of our Pro Bowlers How many did we actually draft?
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Udeze isn't a bust, And if you actually read I said Erasmus James is a bust.
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Troy Williamson.....21 million guranteed money.hahahahahahahha

hes laughing his butt to the bank.
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