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Old 12-30-2006, 09:40 AM    (permalink
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I voted for "inexperienced first year starter; he'll get better"


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He's growing through the 2nd half slump that all first year starters go through outside of the exception of Tom Brady. It happens, its not a testament that he's a bad qb, but these things happen. After several weeks, teams figure out a first year starter and attack him. Its gonna take a great team effort for SD to win in the playoffs, because most likely Rivers won't have a great performance.

Having that said...isn't it ironic that everyone is pointing out the SAME reasons Rivers is doing bad that we have said for Eli, yet Eli sucks and Rivers is "winning football games" etc. Funny. Also, Roethlisberger "only won because of his team" yet when we mention the same circumstance with Rivers, all of a sudden its a "team sport". Yup......
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He's growing through the 2nd half slump that all first year starters go through outside of the exception of Tom Brady. It happens, its not a testament that he's a bad qb, but these things happen. After several weeks, teams figure out a first year starter and attack him. Its gonna take a great team effort for SD to win in the playoffs, because most likely Rivers won't have a great performance.

Having that said...isn't it ironic that everyone is pointing out the SAME reasons Rivers is doing bad that we have said for Eli, yet Eli sucks and Rivers is "winning football games" etc. Funny. Also, Roethlisberger "only won because of his team" yet when we mention the same circumstance with Rivers, all of a sudden its a "team sport". Yup......
That sounds like a 15-1 team a couple years ago.
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Believe it or not, it is not all his fault. Against KC he had a guy in his face almost every time he dropped back.

Seattle, well, what can you say, he was off on a bunch of passes. It was raining. He also had at least 5 drops; I counted at least 3 from Vincent Jackson and a couple more from LT and Lorenzo Neal. If he had been 15/30 with 2 tds, no ints, and the win, no one would be saying anything.

But he made the bomb at the end of KC to seal the victory with that field goal.

And he slapped Seattle in the face with another bomb at the end of the game.

This is the most important though:
Keenan is playing hurt, and he's ancient. Parker has been out. Floyd is gone. Teams are double and tripling Gates. Jackson has been his only reliable target lately, and Jackson has had several very successful games now.

Hell, we just signed Az Hakim off the compost heap and everybody is wondering "Why is Rivers' play going south?" To quote Mencia, "dee dee dee."

They aren't winning "in spite of" Rivers. They could be doing a lot better if he was in the zone the entire game, but Rivers is going out and winning the games. 13 of them so far.
It's the Quarterback who makes the receivers and O-Line better. If he was doing his job, those receivers would be performing at a much higher level. Dropped passes mean he throws too hard, and inaccurately. They can't be winning with him, because his completion percentage is so horrible.
I hear that! What a worthless thug, too. Last game or the game before, he missed a third down(what else is new?) and he took his helmet off in rage and started yelling. What a punk. I bet he's a terrible person off the field. He talks like a self-important punk.
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wow, im sorry that your team didnt win 13 games this year and you need an excuse to tear down the top team in the league.

granted rivers has not played his best ball in the last few weeks, he still has come back HUGE and won the game for the chargers ala last week, the bengals game, broncos game...just pick and watch.

and can u please define "self-important punk"

rivers seems like a down to earth type guy like most offensive charger players are. its called getting into the game and caring for your team.

the defense is another story(foley, keil, etc)
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Believe it or not, it is not all his fault. Against KC he had a guy in his face almost every time he dropped back.

Seattle, well, what can you say, he was off on a bunch of passes. It was raining. He also had at least 5 drops; I counted at least 3 from Vincent Jackson and a couple more from LT and Lorenzo Neal. If he had been 15/30 with 2 tds, no ints, and the win, no one would be saying anything.

But he made the bomb at the end of KC to seal the victory with that field goal.

And he slapped Seattle in the face with another bomb at the end of the game.

This is the most important though:
Keenan is playing hurt, and he's ancient. Parker has been out. Floyd is gone. Teams are double and tripling Gates. Jackson has been his only reliable target lately, and Jackson has had several very successful games now.

Hell, we just signed Az Hakim off the compost heap and everybody is wondering "Why is Rivers' play going south?" To quote Mencia, "dee dee dee."

They aren't winning "in spite of" Rivers. They could be doing a lot better if he was in the zone the entire game, but Rivers is going out and winning the games. 13 of them so far.
It's the Quarterback who makes the receivers and O-Line better. If he was doing his job, those receivers would be performing at a much higher level. Dropped passes mean he throws too hard, and inaccurately. They can't be winning with him, because his completion percentage is so horrible.
I hear that! What a worthless thug, too. Last game or the game before, he missed a third down(what else is new?) and he took his helmet off in rage and started yelling. What a punk. I bet he's a terrible person off the field. He talks like a self-important punk.
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Believe it or not, it is not all his fault. Against KC he had a guy in his face almost every time he dropped back.

Seattle, well, what can you say, he was off on a bunch of passes. It was raining. He also had at least 5 drops; I counted at least 3 from Vincent Jackson and a couple more from LT and Lorenzo Neal. If he had been 15/30 with 2 tds, no ints, and the win, no one would be saying anything.

But he made the bomb at the end of KC to seal the victory with that field goal.

And he slapped Seattle in the face with another bomb at the end of the game.

This is the most important though:
Keenan is playing hurt, and he's ancient. Parker has been out. Floyd is gone. Teams are double and tripling Gates. Jackson has been his only reliable target lately, and Jackson has had several very successful games now.

Hell, we just signed Az Hakim off the compost heap and everybody is wondering "Why is Rivers' play going south?" To quote Mencia, "dee dee dee."

They aren't winning "in spite of" Rivers. They could be doing a lot better if he was in the zone the entire game, but Rivers is going out and winning the games. 13 of them so far.
It's the Quarterback who makes the receivers and O-Line better. If he was doing his job, those receivers would be performing at a much higher level. Dropped passes mean he throws too hard, and inaccurately. They can't be winning with him, because his completion percentage is so horrible.
I hear that! What a worthless thug, too. Last game or the game before, he missed a third down(what else is new?) and he took his helmet off in rage and started yelling. What a punk. I bet he's a terrible person off the field. He talks like a self-important punk.
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He is a punter playing quarterback. And look at his throwing motion, it's pathetic. When he throws he makes it look like he rides the short bus.
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Believe it or not, it is not all his fault. Against KC he had a guy in his face almost every time he dropped back.

Seattle, well, what can you say, he was off on a bunch of passes. It was raining. He also had at least 5 drops; I counted at least 3 from Vincent Jackson and a couple more from LT and Lorenzo Neal. If he had been 15/30 with 2 tds, no ints, and the win, no one would be saying anything.

But he made the bomb at the end of KC to seal the victory with that field goal.

And he slapped Seattle in the face with another bomb at the end of the game.

This is the most important though:
Keenan is playing hurt, and he's ancient. Parker has been out. Floyd is gone. Teams are double and tripling Gates. Jackson has been his only reliable target lately, and Jackson has had several very successful games now.

Hell, we just signed Az Hakim off the compost heap and everybody is wondering "Why is Rivers' play going south?" To quote Mencia, "dee dee dee."

They aren't winning "in spite of" Rivers. They could be doing a lot better if he was in the zone the entire game, but Rivers is going out and winning the games. 13 of them so far.
It's the Quarterback who makes the receivers and O-Line better. If he was doing his job, those receivers would be performing at a much higher level. Dropped passes mean he throws too hard, and inaccurately. They can't be winning with him, because his completion percentage is so horrible.
I cant STAND that excuse.These pussies are getting paid millions of dollars and are then guna complain that the QB is throwing too hard??? No. that not how it works. Shut your mouth and catch the damn ball. Its your one and only job and its not that hard to do it. :x

Anyways, Philip's #1 receiver is McCardell who is old and hasnt caught a TD all year. Lets be fair, if he had a good #1 receiver his numbers would be way up.
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i truly can't wait till this can carry over. all it needs is ea and that other guy making a few excuses for rivers.
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i truly can't wait till this can carry over. all it needs is ea and that other guy making a few excuses for rivers.
River hit that brick yard many first year players yet. He is not playing his best, but he is not losing games and last week he made the clutch play when he had too.
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First off, Rivers' last game wasn't really bad. It was terrible conditions and he got off to a slow start - going 0-11 with several dropped balls. After that he went 10-19 for 180 yards and 2 TD's including the game winner with 46 seconds left. While 10-30 is bad, given the conditions and the fact he was throwing downfield a lot, it was was alright - espically considering he didn't turn the ball over. Look at Hasselbacks stats - He was just over 50% with 2 INTs.

Knowing PR can lead his team to a W with 2 minutes left in terrible conditions told me a lot more about him than his bad start too. How many players have a "bad game" and still make the winning play the end?
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The answer to the question is ..............

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I think Billy Volek is a better QB... remember when he came in a few years ago and didn't do too bad? That was amazing.
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I think Billy Volek is a better QB... remember when he came in a few years ago and didn't do too bad? That was amazing.

If the Chargers want to consistently win they need to put in Volek. I mean in '04 he had a killer stretch with 15 touchdowns to 5 interceptions, and average over 300 yards per game. That's better than anything Rivers has ever done.
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I think Billy Volek is a better QB... remember when he came in a few years ago and didn't do too bad? That was amazing.

If the Chargers want to consistently win they need to put in Volek. I mean in '04 he had a killer stretch with 15 touchdowns to 5 interceptions, and average over 300 yards per game. That's better than anything Rivers has ever done.
Yeah, and he had 2 straight games with over 400 yards and over 65% completions :shock: With an 8:1 TD:INT ratio, he's spectacular. Who cares that they didn't win 5 of his 7 starts.
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If the Chargers want to consistently win they need to put in Volek. I mean in '04 he had a killer stretch with 15 touchdowns to 5 interceptions, and average over 300 yards per game. That's better than anything Rivers has ever done.
Yeah, and he had 2 straight games with over 400 yards and over 65% completions :shock: With an 8:1 TD:INT ratio, he's spectacular. Who cares that they didn't win 5 of his 7 starts.
Ya Volek never gets his credit. He sat behind McNair forever. I was kinda pissed off when the Titans took Collins over Volek.
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I think Billy Volek is a better QB... remember when he came in a few years ago and didn't do too bad? That was amazing.

If the Chargers want to consistently win they need to put in Volek. I mean in '04 he had a killer stretch with 15 touchdowns to 5 interceptions, and average over 300 yards per game. That's better than anything Rivers has ever done.
Thats a joke...right?
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I think Billy Volek is a better QB... remember when he came in a few years ago and didn't do too bad? That was amazing.

If the Chargers want to consistently win they need to put in Volek. I mean in '04 he had a killer stretch with 15 touchdowns to 5 interceptions, and average over 300 yards per game. That's better than anything Rivers has ever done.
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why would it be? he was amazing in his starts in '04. he's cleary a much better quarterback than rivers.
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Ok so Rivers had 2 maybe 3 bad games. The point is (whether its due to LT or not) the Chargers are winning. Changing QB (especially taking out their future franchise QB) would be stupid and ruin the team chemistry.
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Ok so Rivers had 2 maybe 3 bad games. The point is (whether its due to LT or not) the Chargers are winning. Changing QB (especially taking out their future franchise QB) would be stupid and ruin the team chemistry.
The Broncos were winning this year with Plummer...

you have to go with the best player, and that's Volek.
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Ok so Rivers had 2 maybe 3 bad games. The point is (whether its due to LT or not) the Chargers are winning. Changing QB (especially taking out their future franchise QB) would be stupid and ruin the team chemistry.
The Broncos were winning this year with Plummer...

you have to go with the best player, and that's Volek.
Well lets go ahead and use the Broncos as an example. Cutler took over and lost 3 consecutive games before he was able to mesh with the team. Rivers is winning and as long as he does what hes been doin most all year, SD will do fine. Volek is not the right option IMO, especially going into the playoffs.
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cutler's ability to win had NOTHING to do with meshing with the team.
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