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Old 12-29-2006, 02:16 PM    (permalink
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I think Jason Taylor should get it. Its harder to do the things he does than it is for champ.
Corner is way harder to play than defensive end.
and to do what champ has done and teams really never test him...for him to have 20+ pd 9ints and prob. the best run support corner....i dont see how it is easier to do then play DE
Everyone knows the best run support CB is Jammer, god stop being such a homer. :D

Using the wonderlic to state that DE is harder to play than CB is ridiculous. CB is the hardest position to play other than QB.
I dunno, I think left tackle is harder than CB, by just a smidge.
Okay I'll give you that. But DE isn't up there IMO. That's why you see all these amazing rookie pass rushers, while corners take forever to develop.
exactly. look what 5th round pick mark anderson is doing in chicago, and meanwhile, there is no rookie cb making a comparable impact.
CB Jonathan Joseph of the Bengals has had a just as good if not better year than Mr. Unblocked Mark Anderson.
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:17 PM    (permalink
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^^^ fantastic post (the one defending kampman). i wouldn't have thought kampman should've even been mentioned, and while i think you've slotted him about right (4th or 5th), based on what you've got, he certainly deserves mention.
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:19 PM    (permalink
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Yea i had Kampman on my big fantasy team. He always put it up
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Old 12-30-2006, 11:41 AM    (permalink
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Merriman

taylor with the season hes having
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Old 12-31-2006, 01:20 AM    (permalink
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I haven't really seen much of JT excpet on SC, so I can't really make a definitive decision on my part. However, from watching Champ this whole year, he is worthy of a DPOY. Is he worthier over JT? I dont' really know. But under normal circumstances is he worthy? Hell yes. Not sure if he will win it tho... the 4 game losing slide the Broncos took may really hurt his chances. We'll see tho.
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i truely think bailey should get it, he's the best defensive player in the league, and is have the best season (i know many will argue with that one)
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Old 12-31-2006, 02:39 AM    (permalink
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Jason Taylor should win it in my opinion. 9 forced fumbles. 9!?!!
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Old 12-31-2006, 09:10 AM    (permalink
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I'm bored so some head to head stats.

Tackles:
Champ- 81, Taylor-56
Sacks:
Taylor-13.5, Champ-0
Interceptions:
Champ- 9, Taylor-2
FF:
Taylor-9, Champ-0
Total turnovers:
Taylor-11, Champ-9
Pass defensed:
Champ-11, Taylor- 8
Touchdowns:
Taylor-2, Champ-0

Both are having great seasons, but looking at that is is hard to argue against Taylor. Has 2 more forced turnovers, 2 more touchdowns, almost as many PD when Taylor is a DE/OLB, then you had in 13.5 sacks for Taylor. I know it's now all about stats, but that's hard to argue against.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:59 AM    (permalink
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I'm bored so some head to head stats.

Tackles:
Champ- 81, Taylor-56
Sacks:
Taylor-13.5, Champ-0
Interceptions:
Champ- 9, Taylor-2
FF:
Taylor-9, Champ-0
Total turnovers:
Taylor-11, Champ-9
Pass defensed:
Champ-11, Taylor- 8
Touchdowns:
Taylor-2, Champ-0

Both are having great seasons, but looking at that is is hard to argue against Taylor. Has 2 more forced turnovers, 2 more touchdowns, almost as many PD when Taylor is a DE/OLB, then you had in 13.5 sacks for Taylor. I know it's now all about stats, but that's hard to argue against.
I have their PD numbers as 20 for Champ and 11 for Taylor
And a forced fumble doesn't necessitate a turnover, but yeah, Taylor did his part by forcing it anyway
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Old 12-31-2006, 12:08 PM    (permalink
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I'm still getting 20 for Champ
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Old 12-31-2006, 12:18 PM    (permalink
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2006 Denver Broncos 15 81 69.0 12 0 9 92 10.2 32 0 11
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http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/...=4&_3:col_2=11

Player Team G Ints Yds LG TDs FF Rec TDs Pdef Scks SFTY Cmb Tck Solo Ast
Champ Bailey DEN 15 9 92 32 0 0 1 0 20 0 0 81 69.0 64 12


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Old 12-31-2006, 03:17 PM    (permalink
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They probably add interceptions to it.
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:26 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, they definitely are
Just weird to see it listed two different ways on the same site
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