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Old 12-30-2006, 09:26 PM    (permalink
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I voted Mario, why? because at the time it was the perfect pick for them, they didn't know that Dom Davis would get hurt and kill their running game, they didn't know that Bush would get much PT for them and he didn't wanna sign before the draft when they wanted to. Mario is a great End who happened to be the #1 pick but if he hadn't have been and had gone #2 and the Saints had taken Bush #1 then Mario would look like a much better player,

Also DeMeco Ryans is having a great year correct? Without Williams there to take up blockers maybe Ryans doesn't do what he does, maybe the Texans don't beat the teams they beat, and they have the #1 pick this year? What do they do then? Reggie Bush they would have but they would have gotten destroyed on D so then what do they do take Gaines Adams? Joe Thomas? Quinn? CJ? would be more questions this year.

Although i still belive D'Brick should have been the pick
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Bush would have been pointless. At the time, we had Domanick Davis at RB. in 04 Davis had 1200 yards, 13 TD's, and 70 catches out of the backfield in 15 games. In 05 he had 1000 yards and 40 catches in 11 games. We also had a Pro Bowl returner in Jerome Mathis. Plus Bush doesn't fit our scheme whatsoever.

Carr had just been re-signed. The thinking was that he could still be an elite QB if he were ever given more than 2 seconds of protection. So taking a QB #1 overall when you had just re-signed your young former #1 overall pick who had never really been given a chance would be pointless as well. Also, nearly everyone had him pegged to not be ready for 3 years or so. Houston is terrible.. we needed help NOW.

We are moving to a 4-3 from a 3-4. Our starting DE's would be Jason Babin and Antwan Peek. We have no true Nose Tackle, and we have a DE is playing UT. We needed D-Line help BADLY. A Mario Williams type of prospect at DE is just as rare (if not more) than an elite RB (who can't run in between the tackles) and can be more important.

Now, I love VY, being from Houston, and being a huge UT fan, he WAS Texas football. I never miss a chance to watch the titans play now. But that doesn't mean he would have been a good pick.
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Everybody talking about how Reggie can't run between the tackles must have stopped watching him in Week 9. He's shown a lot of improvement in that aspect of his game.

Anyway, they needed D'Brick.
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mario was, is,and will be the right choice for houston.
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If you think Mario Williams is a bad pick, or reach, then you think Bill Parcells knows less about football than you do. Jerry Jones on Bryant Gumble's HBO show said that the Cowboys, under Parcells, had Williams #1 on their board.

Case closed.
Boy, they struck gold by reaching for Bobby Carpenter, eh?
We don't know yet. The Cowboys are deep at LB, and I am sure Parcells would like to hold his rookies back on a contender as much as possible. Still, I doubt anyone can make a legitimate case that Parcells cannot evaluate talent.

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That's a significant chunk of the current Cowboys roster, drafted under Parcells. Not to mention Terry Glenn, who was drafted by Parcells back in the day.
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Mario Williams and the reasons why:

1. Reggie Bush can not run between the tackles and does not fit the ZBS in hindsight (and he never did).
2. DE is a bigger need than the QB position and Houston lacks elite defensive talent.
3. Mario Williams has just as much upside as Vince Young and Reggie Bush.
4. In a division where you must stop the Colts offense if you want to win the division. This has not been done yet and drafting Mario Williams would be a big help.
5. Vince Young while he has made great runs is still very inconsistent when throwing the ball and still shows bad mechanics, but he is getting better.


That's all I can think of and that is more reasons imo than drafting Bush or Vince Young.
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Everybody talking about how Reggie can't run between the tackles must have stopped watching him in Week 9. He's shown a lot of improvement in that aspect of his game.

He's improved, but still, he isn't what the Texans wanted in a back. The Texans ZBS relies upon decisive cut-backs, something Bush has struggled with at times. It's also a scheme that never required a top-tier talent. The Texans never showed interest in Bush, he said as much. The Saints are better for Bush to succeed, the Texans added a much needed D-Line talent, it's win-win.
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Vince Young, just like in college get's all the credit for what the rest of his team is doing. The guy is a great player, but he's not THE reason they've won so many games thus far. Against the Jag's. the Titan's didn't score a touchdown on offense, how can that be attributed to Young? The first time against the Texans the defense had 5 turnover's and a touchdown on ST's. Against the Giants they won on a 60 yd. field goal. True, Young got them there, but sixty yd. field goal. C'mon that's gotta count for something give the kicker some credit. The run in OT against the Texan's would have been negated had they called the holding on Williams changing the whole dynamic of that game. Also, it seems everyone forget's that he's working under great coaching which is the real reason that the Titans are winning. If you look at Young's individual stat's they aren't that great and would not necessarily have translated onto the Texan's.

Bush isn't making more of an impact on the Saints than their seventh rd. pick, while the guy has done well. He wouldn't have had the same result's in Houston. Also, you negate the impact of Bree's and Payton's coaching if you say Bush is the reason for them having such a successful season.

Mario on the other hand is playing through an injury and still having an impact. He doesn't depend on anybody else to get his. This is the difference between him and the other two. Bush and Young depend on the line in order to have success. Mario is the person our defense depends on in order to have success. Mario's stat's aren't indicative of his impact, occupying two people on the offense in different manners don't get stat's. Mario is having a great season, but it's all negated in the #'s because guess what people don't run at him that much. With our porous secondary it's never hard for the opposing QB to get rid of the ball that much quicker. Mario is the best option for this team and has helped in my opinion more than either of the other guys would have. If it weren't for Mario, Demeco wouldn't be in the running for DROY.
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without doubt mario. he has been hurt this year and admits he cant take plays/games off like he did in college. but as a nc state student the past few years...i saw him dominate like no other player ive ever seen at times. there are games...generally big time games...where he was unblockable. he is the most physically gifted DE ever. it would be as if you put reggie bushes speed in ron daynes body. when it all comes together for mario, this will be one of the more praised picks in the draft history.
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Trading down to slots 2-4 would have been good, taking Mario if he was around and Ferguson if he was taken. Of course this requires that a team was willing to make a decent offer to move up.
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Trading down to slots 2-4 would have been good, taking Mario if he was around and Ferguson if he was taken. Of course this requires that a team was willing to make a decent offer to move up.
They tried to trade down, no one was interested in their price.
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They should have traded the pick and then drafted Ferguson and a boatload of other offensive linemen. That was their biggest need and they didn't address it until the third round. That entire offensive line is a joke; you could put five stacks of hay up there and it would do a better job of protecting Carr.
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out of those 3, thye should have taken Mario because he is the only one that filled a need. they had a perennial 1,000 yd. rusher in domanick davis, and they had a former #1 draft pick in david carr.
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Vince Young, just like in college get's all the credit for what the rest of his team is doing. The guy is a great player, but he's not THE reason they've won so many games thus far. Against the Jag's. the Titan's didn't score a touchdown on offense, how can that be attributed to Young? The first time against the Texans the defense had 5 turnover's and a touchdown on ST's. Against the Giants they won on a 60 yd. field goal. True, Young got them there, but sixty yd. field goal. C'mon that's gotta count for something give the kicker some credit. The run in OT against the Texan's would have been negated had they called the holding on Williams changing the whole dynamic of that game. Also, it seems everyone forget's that he's working under great coaching which is the real reason that the Titans are winning. If you look at Young's individual stat's they aren't that great and would not necessarily have translated onto the Texan's.

Bush isn't making more of an impact on the Saints than their seventh rd. pick, while the guy has done well. He wouldn't have had the same result's in Houston. Also, you negate the impact of Bree's and Payton's coaching if you say Bush is the reason for them having such a successful season.

Mario on the other hand is playing through an injury and still having an impact. He doesn't depend on anybody else to get his. This is the difference between him and the other two. Bush and Young depend on the line in order to have success. Mario is the person our defense depends on in order to have success. Mario's stat's aren't indicative of his impact, occupying two people on the offense in different manners don't get stat's. Mario is having a great season, but it's all negated in the #'s because guess what people don't run at him that much. With our porous secondary it's never hard for the opposing QB to get rid of the ball that much quicker. Mario is the best option for this team and has helped in my opinion more than either of the other guys would have. If it weren't for Mario, Demeco wouldn't be in the running for DROY.
I have watched every play from Mario this season, and right now, he is not even close to as good as you make him out to be. His "double-teaming" is a tackle blocking him, and occasionaly a TE will chip in. Mario gets stood up at the line on a consistant basis, and rarely creates pressure because all he does is try to bull rush.

If he could develope some pass-rushing moves he could be good, but right now his move is to run straight into the tackle, and it makes him a $54 million roadblock.
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Mario was the right choice at the time over those two, I personally wanted D'Brick. If we can bring in a legit DE to play across from Mario we will then see how good he really is because he is getting absolutely no help.
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Vince Young, just like in college get's all the credit for what the rest of his team is doing. The guy is a great player, but he's not THE reason they've won so many games thus far. Against the Jag's. the Titan's didn't score a touchdown on offense, how can that be attributed to Young? The first time against the Texans the defense had 5 turnover's and a touchdown on ST's. Against the Giants they won on a 60 yd. field goal. True, Young got them there, but sixty yd. field goal. C'mon that's gotta count for something give the kicker some credit. The run in OT against the Texan's would have been negated had they called the holding on Williams changing the whole dynamic of that game. Also, it seems everyone forget's that he's working under great coaching which is the real reason that the Titans are winning. If you look at Young's individual stat's they aren't that great and would not necessarily have translated onto the Texan's.
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of coarse they made the right pick, and the options you put up there are bad, i really believe that if the draft were re-done, reggie bush would go somewhere in the teens, i personally wouldnt draft him there, but he probly would go somewhere in that area

texans definitly made the right choice, theres an argument for young, and an argument for fergeson, but bush doesnt even belong in the discussion, hes not a runningback, maybe as a WR, but hes not a rb
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It all depends on this years draft if they are able to get AP then they should have taken vince if they could get QUinn or russell then they should have taken BUsh.
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well i think Young would have been the best pick i mean i know they already have Carr but they can always trade while young is a hometown hero he'd really be great for houston. but because of the fact that they had Carr at the time and Dominick Davis the pick made alot of sense but he really stinks tho
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