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Old 03-08-2008, 09:14 PM    (permalink
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-and-marquand/

Scratch safety off the Denver Broncos’ wish list.

The team dipped into the free-agent pool twice Saturday, signing a pair of veteran players, Marlon McCree and Marquand Manuel.

The moves at worst are a hedge against a weak draft crop at the position and adds depth to a shallow defensive spot on the roster.

But both McCree and Manuel have extensive starting experience and have been assured they’ll get shots to break into the lineup, too.

McCree is a strong safety and should compete with John Lynch for playing time. Manuel will challenge relatively untested Hamza Abdullah at the free-safety position.

Terms of McCree’s deal weren’t immediately available. But Manuel got $4.5 million over three years with $500,000 guaranteed. The total package could swell by another $1.5 million based on playing time incentives.

The Broncos have now addressed two of their weakest spots via the open market, as they try to fix the league’s 30th-ranked rush defense. The club earlier signed Niko Koutouvides and Boss Bailey to buttress the linebacker position.

Manuel, 28, has played 91 games in six NFL seasons with Cincinnati, Seattle, Green Bay and Carolina. His best season came in 2006 with 81 tackles for the Packers.

McCree, 30, has played 30 games over the last two seasons for the San Diego Chargers. He started his career with Jacksonville in 2001, moving to Jacksonville, Houston and Carolina before settling in with the Chargers. He has 421 total tackles in 106 career games.
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I don't think this should change anything about draft strategy other than to put DT as an earlier to address need than S. I still think a 4th or 5th round pick needs to go to safety if we use the 2nd rounder on a DT. If we stay at #12 in the first round I think we're going to have to take Clady or Williams.
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There isn't typically room for 5 safety on an active roster, with Lynch, Abdullah, and now Manuel, and McCree, I think you can go ahead and take S off the board in the early rounds.
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I don't know, they kept six running backs last year so they could drop one and keep an extra safety or linebacker this year. I think it depends a lot on how they want to address the special teams as well. I can see someone like Craig Steltz from LSU being drafted with one of our 4th or 5th round picks and being valuable enough as a special teamer and developmental safety to supplant one of those running back spots. I certainly would like to see some competition at safety.
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I'm more worried about who our kicker punter and returners are going to be, rather then our 5th safety lol =)
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I'm more worried about who our kicker punter and returners are going to be, rather then our 5th safety lol =)
Okay you win on that one! :)

Definitely should spend a 7th rounder on a punter/kick-off specialist. I'm still feeling relatively confident that they'll resign Elam.
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ugh...Marquan Manuel...UGH!!!!!!!
i guess 06 was his best year. he still sucked that year
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I like these moves a lot especially in conjunction with the other moves they have made. Colbert, Niko, Bailey, McCree, and Marquand...solid signings for players that are still developing (except for McCree but he is solid) and at a low expense. Medium to High reward low risk...I like it. Defense appears to be set except for DT...that concerns me.

Scott (OG-Indy) is available and I'd like the Broncos to bring him in. I'd also like them to get a legit FB but there isn't much on the market. With these moves the focus of the draft should be on the trenches.

I fully expect Foxworth to be traded for a third rounder, and with that pick I'm guessing we will get a WR/KR type player. In the fourth we will probably get a kicker. First and second should be OT/DT. My dream scenario for that would be Clady or Williams in the first and then Laws in the second. I love Laws and his high motor (I have him ranked behind Ellis and Dorsey). He has pretty good technique already so he will be able to play this year.
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Well crap...can forget about Scott.

TITANS SNAG SCOTT

After an all-too-quiet start to free agency, the Tennessee Titans have helped fill a hole on their offensive line by creating one for a division rival.

According to the Tennessean, the Titans have agreed to terms with starting Colts guard Jake Scott. The contract will average just under $5 million per year.

Scott, a fifth-round draft pick of the Colts in 2004, started 55 games in Indy over the past three seasons. He fills the vacancy created by Jacob Bell, who left for the Rams last week.
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how, exactly, are ANY of those players remotely HIGH reward? you have been sipping far too much orange and blue kool aid if you buy any of these moves as a serious attempt by the club to get better. i fail to see how bailey gives us any more reason to think our linebackers will be better this year. i fail to see how a crap safety from green bay and a crap safety from san diego improve our secondary. any broncos fan who honestly thinks our defense has improved at this point seriously needs to have their head checked. what's said is that the front office likely sees it the same way as some of you people and will go into the draft believing that somehow, signing the dregs of free agency makes the team "better" or worse, that the team really wasn't all that bad last year.

yeah, might as well piss away a fourth round pick on a kicker who won't have any business being picked that high. i mean, taking ernster was a really great way to blow a 7th round pick and that was only a 7th round pick. might as well aim high and at least make it obvious that we have no intention of ever drafting well.
Depends on what you define as "high reward". I was defining it as surpassing last years starter.

Webster and Gold were easily one of the worst OLB in the league last year. While Bailey is far from being an outstanding player IMO he is a lot better than Webster. DJ is obviously a huge improvement over Gold. Niko is relatively unknown but he performed well when he started in Seattle (before being displaced by one of the best in the league). The trio of Niko, DJ, and Bailey is better than what we had last year and most scouts would agree with me on that. Not to mention the flexibility as DJ can play any LB spot, Bailey can play any OLB, Winborn played well when he replaced Gold, and Webster is still there if all else fails (SLB or MLB).

Colbert will put up better stats than Walker did last year so that is an improvement. Will he put up 1000 yards...hell no. But if he puts up 600-700 with 4-5 TD's I will be happy. Remember that Scheffler was technically our #2 WR last year putting up some pretty good states despite missing 1/4 the season and taking a bit to warm up. That's an improvement IMO.

Lynch is overrated and a huge liability in space. In run support he is solid but that is about it. Against teams that run a spread offense he is a huge liability. Abdullah is okay but he is still pretty raw, and Ferguson probably won't be back. Foxworth will probably be traded away and he was a liability against the run anyway. So when Lynch was in there teams would pass and when Foxworth was in there they would run. The two safeties brought in aren't great and I realize that, but I expect one of them to start with Abdullah starting at the other spot. Lynch will be there to help coach Abdullah and provide depth. Is it an improvement...maybe a toss up but they are younger and it provides better depth. Not to mention they are cheap and considering the horrible safety class in the upcoming draft I think they did pretty well.

We have drafted well the past several seasons if I remember correctly. Granted we had some horrible ones (2004 except DJ obviously) initially but it has improved. Or do you not call Cutler, Scheffler, Marshall, Dumervil, Kuper a good draft in 2006 or Moss, Crowder, Thomas, and Harris in 2007 a good draft? Hell even in 2005 we had a decent pull considering the lack of picks and the unfortunate death of D-Will. Obviously the Clarett pick was a bust.

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There are still some holes to fill on this team (OT and DT being the most obvious) but fortunately this draft is deep in OT. DT may be an issue though, but hopefully they can snag Robertson when he is released and/or draft Laws in the second round.

QB-Cutler
RB-T Henry and S Young
WR-Marshall, Colbert, Stokley
TE-Graham and Scheffler
OT-Pears/Harris/rookie
OG-Hamilton/Myers
C-Nalen/Myers
OG-Holland/Kuper
OT-Kuper/Pears/rookie

DE-Ekuban, Crowder
DT-Thomas/Gordon
DT-McKinely/Rookie/Peterson
DE-Dumervil/Moss/Engleberger
OLB-Bailey/Winborn
MLB-Niko/DJ/Webster
OLB-DJ/Green
CB-Bailey/Bly/Paymah
S-Abdullah/McCree/Lynch/Manuel
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clady or chris williams is a must. OT is looking sad for the broncos.
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Crowder is the only guy out of 07 that I think will do good in the future. The rest are terrible to this point. Cutler, DJ, B-Marsh, Scheff, and elvis are great. But there have been a lot of other picks down the drain. The teams at the top have amazing drafts. Cant run a team through free agency and past their prime veterans.
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That's your opinion(s) and you are entitled to it. I respectfully disagree. Time will tell.

I don't know what games you were watching in regards to Webster, but the only tackles I saw him make was when he jumped on the pile and then came out celebrating like he had made some huge play. The fact that we have signed two LB's to replace last years guys should be a huge hint to you, but since you missed Webster's lack of performance that isn't surprising.

Yes I have seen Boss play. That's why I said he wasn't great. And he isn't replacing Gold...he is replacing Webster. Again the front office thinks he is an improvement...I'll go with them.

For one the Seattle GM.

Hmmm...Walker on the bench is somehow better than Colbert on the field? Interesting. Colbert put up a good rookie year so the talent is there. Now what happened after that is up for debate, but like all the other moves this one is low risk (ie he is cheap) and good reward type (young with potential).

Stokley is not durable enough to be a #2 WR and he missed several games last year, and during those games Scheffler was basically the #2. Look it up.

Lynch was classified as a FS, but if you watched any game tape you would realize he was playing in the box the majority of the time with Abdullah or Foxworth playing over the top.

The rest of your comments are not worth responding too.

Like I said, during the season (or after) we can readdress this thread and see who is correct. Personally I'm going to go with the front office, but if you think you are better at it maybe you should go apply for a GM position.
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Crowder is the only guy out of 07 that I think will do good in the future. The rest are terrible to this point. Cutler, DJ, B-Marsh, Scheff, and elvis are great. But there have been a lot of other picks down the drain. The teams at the top have amazing drafts. Cant run a team through free agency and past their prime veterans.
Moss was hurt and before than he was seeing an increasing amount of time on the field. Let's see what he can do this year putting on some weight and hopefully a healthy season.

Thomas was starting for us the end of the season but don't let facts get in the way of making huge generalizations.

Harris is unknown, but then again name the last time a rookie started for us at the o-line?

They are trying to build through the draft and get young players in FA who are not past their prime, but then people such as njx9 criticize it for bringing in crap players.
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I'm with njx9 on the part about the drafting. You cant deny the lack of bronco drafted players. The last couple of years havent been as bad, but most the guys are still prospects. But from what I saw, crowder seems decent.

Thomas was starting sure...how many great DTs are actually on our team?? Oh wait, that is our biggest need. That and Oline. Broncos have had bad drafts for years. Getting a little better, but still, better make some good calls this year.
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I'm with njx9 on the part about the drafting. You cant deny the lack of bronco drafted players. The last couple of years havent been as bad, but most the guys are still prospects. But from what I saw, crowder seems decent.

Thomas was starting sure...how many great DTs are actually on our team?? Oh wait, that is our biggest need. That and Oline. Broncos have had bad drafts for years. Getting a little better, but still, better make some good calls this year.
I never denied that they had horrible drafts in previous years (in fact I said so before he did see post #12), and I agree that is the reason they are struggling now. But the recent years have been better. And I agree that they need to have a good draft this year.

When the other DT is a worthless turd and Thomas gets double teamed every time what do you expect? Plus it was his rookie year and DT is probably the hardest position for a rookie to come in and do well.
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Thats my point about thomas, he has the off the field issues on top of it. Yes he started, but at our weakest position. I would've rather they picked up one of the safeties in a pretty weak DE draft last year. Now it is a weak safety class with a decent D line class.

just my ideas on the bad drafting plans of the past. I hope they prove me wrong with a chris williams 1st rounder and Earl Bennett or Trevor Laws 2nd rounder.
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"webster was also pretty clearly worthless. by far worse than ian gold. unless you didn't watch the games. "

Did I not state earlier that both Gold and Webster were worthless? Now you agree with me and some how it's proving me wrong. Whatever. And you said Webster is pretty worthless...yet you said towards the end of the season and I quote, "Webster has been, in every game I've watched, by far our most effective linebacker." And prior to that you said Gold is the worst player in the NFL. But now Webster is far worse than Gold...LOL. Whatever credibility you had can be thrown out with your waffling. If Webster is our most effective linebacker why are we bringing in a LB who you claim is a complete turd (ie Bailey). Kerry and Einstein have got nothing on you.

"no doubt you know better and have some actual verifiable content to bring to the table." "prove it."

Do you have verifiable content and how about you prove he isn't. I already stated Bailey wasn't that great but you ignored that....surprise. If Bailey is equivalent to Webster, who you just agreed was pretty worthless, do you honestly think the front office would have brought him in just to waste Bowlen's money?

"because you can't even invent a reasonable-sounding argument? because i called you out on not knowing what you're talking about and you're trying to prove me right?"

I provided sound arguments to your dribble and you respond with the crap in your post.

Provide tape...how about you do it buddy. I've got every Broncos game on tape since 2000. What makes you an expert on matters huh? I provided my opinion and said time will tell. If you want to be immature and claim that somehow you are more of an expert than me or the front office then go ahead. I'd love to see your credentials for being an expert.

"no, it's not. he sucked. the panthers bought it. don't you take every front office's word for everything? or just ours? panthers fans are glad to be rid of him. can't imagine why. those stellar numbers he put up and all that playing time.... whew. he'll be a superstar for sure."

Please provide a link to where I said he would be a superstar? And if Colbert comes in and puts up 600 yards what will people say then?

"3 years for 7 million is NOT cheap, kiddo."

When you are comparing to other salaries being thrown out there for players who have done absolutely nothing yes it is, son. Which WR would you have us pick up who has signed for a comparable salary?

"find a tape and prove it."

Prove he wasn't. If you don't agree to that then there is no point talking to you as even the dumbest of fans can recognize seeing #47 in the box. And did I mention two years ago? No...I said last year.

"yeah, that's such a great argument. clearly there isn't anyone on earth who could've done better than the broncos front office. that's why they won the super bowl. because they didn't make and haven't made any mistakes ever. i guess eventually the broncos had to have a ridiculous homer who apparently doesn't see anything wrong with the way their franchise (with the #12 overall pick and a losing record to brag about) has been operating for the better part of a decade. no doubt our draft record from 2000-2004 isn't nearly as bad as it looks. our free agent signing record is also spectacular. that's why we're the best team in football."

LOL

"yeah? well i said it back in november!"

You want a cookie?

"yeah, gosh, i'm such a meanie. i'm sure shanny is up all night crying to himself. there were better players available for next to no money in free agency and trade. i have NOT criticized any of our recent (2006 and 2007) draftees as being garbage yet, although our draft record early (2000-2005)implies that most of them will be. our free agency record sucks. why, exactly, should i "just have faith" that these crappy signees are suddenly the answer? should i base it on the fact that they've been garbage for their entire career to this point? maybe i should base it on the fact that i'm a broncos fan and the franchise has never, will never and in fact, can never do anything wrong."

If you can't recognize your own hypocrisy when it is thrown back in your face there is not much of a point in talking to you.

I'll make sure and bump this thread next season so you can try and defend yourself.

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Ahh, it must be off season on NFLDC, I miss these rants njx
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I'm with njx9.. I don't see how our linebackers have improved at all. Boss Bailey is injury prone and not a sure tackler. Koutouvides should be depth, at best.

And, once again, we are putting a band-aid on our lack of talent at safety. It seems like our front office's philosophy is "one teams trash is another team's treasure"..

We are gonna need a very good draft to salvage the 08 season.
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I feel a little better about the McCree deal now that they've released the contract info. It's a one year deal for $2 million, including a $500,000 signing bonus. Basically a test drive. I think both McCree and Manuel got $1/2 million signing bonuses, so we could even cut them without to much fuss if they get beat out in camp.
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