Movie Discussion Thread - Page 1516

Ness · Yesterday, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

So pretty damn good?

A certain character's...characterization is different than originally constructed...which I think is a little worse for that said character, but the movie is still very good because the motivations for the people in the film make sense and I actually care about what happens to them. And there aren't any major plot holes in this film unlike the 2009 one.

Ness · Yesterday, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX

I've never been a huge Star Trek fan. I'd only seen portions of the movies with the original cast. I watched TNG and enjoyed it, I liked First Contact and Generations.

So I just went and watched Wrath of Kahn because everyone says its the best Star Trek movie ever, I was unimpressed. The acting is nothing special, Khan never really seems to pose much of a threat, he's tricked extremely easily multiple times. I never felt a sense of danger, Khan was just not a menacing villain. Other than Spock dying at the end it honestly felt to me like an extremely long episode of Star Trek the series. I liked it, I didn't love it. I liked First Contact and J.J Abrams' Star Trek far more.

Wow....I'm really sorry to hear you say that. I think you need to watch the film again down the line. Or maybe see Space Seed first. That's one of the best science fiction films ever, regardless if you are a trekkie or not. It deals with a lot of interesting themes too. I'm curious, what part of the film did you find Khan to be easily tricked? Khan has a good amount of leverage in the film until the last 30 or so minutes. Even with his demise, the price was Spock's death.

First Contact is cool, unfortunately it has way too many plot problems like the other TNG films. Making Picard into an action hero was just...not a good idea.

iowatreat54 · Yesterday, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215

Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better.

Also, I vote definitely on "dead in the sack".

Oh, I've openly admitted that I watch incredibly terrible movies just because they are on TV, especially HBO/Showtime/Starz. I don't do it as much anymore because I don't have the time, but in my prime (2005-2009) I probably watched 90% of movies offered by HBO each month.

XxXdragonXxX · Yesterday, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Wow....I'm really sorry to hear you say that. I think you need to watch the film again down the line. Or maybe see Space Seed first. That's one of the best science fiction films ever, regardless if you are a trekkie or not. It deals with a lot of interesting themes too. I'm curious, what part of the film did you find Khan to be easily tricked? Khan has a good amount of leverage in the film until the last 30 or so minutes. Even with his demise, the price was Spock's death.

First Contact is cool, unfortunately it has way too many plot problems like the other TNG films. Making Picard into an action hero was just...not a good idea.

Well, first when Khan first sneak attacks the Enterprise, they level the playing field fairly easily by stalling and entering a code to deactivate his shields. Then they trick him into believing that it would take 2 days to fix the ship instead of 2 hours by broadcasting that info over an open channel. Then at the end they even the playing field again by leading Khan into an electrical storm or whatever it was and then they simply drop below him because Khan "displays 2 dimensional thinking" according to Spock. Spock dies fixing the warp drive so they can escape from Khan's last ditch effort of activating the Genesis device as he's dieing, that was the only point where it felt like there was real danger.

Ness · Yesterday, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX

Well, first when Khan first sneak attacks the Enterprise, they level the playing field fairly easily by stalling and entering a code to deactivate his shields. Then they trick him into believing that it would take 2 days to fix the ship instead of 2 hours by broadcasting that info over an open channel. Then at the end they even the playing field again by leading Khan into an electrical storm or whatever it was and then they simply drop below him because Khan "displays 2 dimensional thinking" according to Spock. Spock dies fixing the warp drive so they can escape from Khan's last ditch effort of activating the Genesis device as he's dieing, that was the only point where it felt like there was real danger.

Right, but that could have happened to anyone. The code is there to deactivate another Federation's starship's shields. No other Federation ship should be firing on one another. And it wasn't a certainty it would work in the first place as Khan may have changed the code like Spock said. He didn't, but it's not surprising that he didn't because he was stranded on Ceti Alpha V all those years. Plus, he's a man from the 1990's. He doesn't have the experience of working with Federation starships. Up to that point his only encounter with a Federation starship was the original Enterprise 15 years earlier.

This same logic is used when Kirk and Spock have that conversation over the open channel. And the same also logic also occurs during the "buried alive" scene when Kirk bluffs his anger over his communicator to make Khan believe they are stuck on the planet.

Again the same logic is used in the nebula when the Enterprise battles the Reliant. Spock says he is intelligent, but not experienced. The same could be said for his entire crew, especially in a battle situation who were piloting the Reliant like a sailing ship instead of a submarine. This motif of experience being an advantage is present throughout the entire film and it fits well into the notion of old age, one of the major themes of the movie. Kirk is getting older, but he has experience on his side. And that is why he is able to defeat Khan once again. This film shows why Kirk is Kirk and is such a good captain. Khan's intelligence is displayed throughout the first half of the film for the most part (luring the Enterprise to Regula I, stealing the Genesis device), but when the chips are down Kirk shows his resolve and is able to outwit Khan because he's just been around the block so many times.

XxXdragonXxX · Yesterday, 09:46 PM

I understand the logic behind it, but to me it all just happened it a very bland manner. It just all seemed to easy to me. Again, I thought it was a decent movie, but I just don't see why everyone thinks it is the best Star Trek film. Nostalgia maybe?

BamaFalcon59 · Today, 02:08 AM

Lawless was awesome. Hate Shia though.

Ness · Today, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by XxXdragonXxX

I understand the logic behind it, but to me it all just happened it a very bland manner. It just all seemed to easy to me. Again, I thought it was a decent movie, but I just don't see why everyone thinks it is the best Star Trek film. Nostalgia maybe?

Well the film was very well received when it first came out and still is to this day by the majority. As for being the best Star Trek film, that's easy. The majority of other Star Trek films are either passable or terrible. And you don't have to be into Star Trek to like the film.