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Old 06-22-2007, 03:43 PM    (permalink
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So the fact that Durant cant rep 185 once doesnt worry anyone? I know he will build up and strength isnt as big of a deal in the NBA as the NFL but come on. Oden is the safer pick which is what makes me think Portland will take him.

Not to contradict myself though, but Id pick Durant. He has much more upside.
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Lets just face it now, no body will live up to M.J. expectations, he is a one of a kind player who can score from anywhere and a great defender, but Durant can do some of the same things, & honestly i only feel that Oden will be a decent player maybe 15 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks a night(still good but not game changing)
I think Oden is good for at least 3 or 4 blocks a game. His shot blocking instincts are amazing
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imo the reason Durant can't rep 185 is because he never worked out in his life, he probably never touched weights in high school & he was only in college for a little bit before basketball started & i know most bball players don't work out in the season, once he hits the weight room imagine how much better his inside game will become
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Yeah thats why i said he has much more upside. He reallllly needs to get to the weightroom if he wants to contribute this season.

Hes guna play the 3 right? Cuz hes not big enough to play the 4.
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I think Oden is good for at least 3 or 4 blocks a game. His shot blocking instincts are amazing
I think he could be a better scorer down the line as well. To cap his potential at 15pts/game is kind of silly. He's still a developing player and once he develops a shot within 12ft of the basket, he'll be all the more better. Remember, the college game is not built for big men to succeed. The NBA is where that distinction changes completely.
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Yeah thats why i said he has much more upside. He reallllly needs to get to the weightroom if he wants to contribute this season.

Hes guna play the 3 right? Cuz hes not big enough to play the 4.

ya i think he is much more of a swingman than a combo forward, but he does grab alot of rebounds
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So the fact that Durant cant rep 185 once doesnt worry anyone? I know he will build up and strength isnt as big of a deal in the NBA as the NFL but come on. Oden is the safer pick which is what makes me think Portland will take him.

Not to contradict myself though, but Id pick Durant. He has much more upside.
I don't know if Oden is the safer pick, it completely depends on how he checks out with the doctors. And the thing about Durant is he's probably never lifted before. Imagine how much bigger and stronger he'll get once he's on an actual weight program with a strength coach. Not that it's good that he couldn't rep 185, but the fact that he can get much bigger and stronger just adds to his already tremendous upside. Plus he's probably not the only one that couldn't bench 185, its just the other guys who couldn't came up with excuses not to try. It was an oversight to try and do it, but it isn't a big deal at all in my eyes.
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imo the reason Durant can't rep 185 is because he never worked out in his life, he probably never touched weights in high school & he was only in college for a little bit before basketball started & i know most bball players don't work out in the season, once he hits the weight room imagine how much better his inside game will become
also its tough for people with long arms to do bench presses, but yeah once he works out full time he'll be ok
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well lets all remember here that Portland is *believed* to want to trade Zach Randolph. If they are able to than I am certain the Oden is the best pick for them, if not then its harder to fit Oden, Aldridge, and Randolph so Durant might be a better fit.

I dont like Randolph but he puts up good #s and if a team wants to get into contention quick, *ie Minny,Chicago* they may just make a deal for him including a lottery pick. Tho i havent heard any rumors.
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I don't know if Oden is the safer pick, it completely depends on how he checks out with the doctors. And the thing about Durant is he's probably never lifted before. Imagine how much bigger and stronger he'll get once he's on an actual weight program with a strength coach. Not that it's good that he couldn't rep 185, but the fact that he can get much bigger and stronger just adds to his already tremendous upside. Plus he's probably not the only one that couldn't bench 185, its just the other guys who couldn't came up with excuses not to try. It was an oversight to try and do it, but it isn't a big deal at all in my eyes.
The reason I say he is a safer pick is because of his size. I mean regardless of what he turns out to be, every game he'll be able to come out and block 2 shots get 4-6 rebounds and 8ish points per game. His size alone is what gives him these numbers.
So even without being a superstar, he can contribute starting game one.

Durant will be viewed as either a success or failure because of teh MJ and LeBron comparisons. If he and Oden have similar numbers, I would say people would criticize Durant. Maybe thats a dumb speculation, but thats just what I think.
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The reason I say he is a safer pick is because of his size. I mean regardless of what he turns out to be, every game he'll be able to come out and block 2 shots get 4-6 rebounds and 8ish points per game. His size alone is what gives him these numbers.
So even without being a superstar, he can contribute starting game one.

Durant will be viewed as either a success or failure because of teh MJ and LeBron comparisons. If he and Oden have similar numbers, I would say people would criticize Durant. Maybe thats a dumb speculation, but thats just what I think.
I never said Oden wasn't the safer pick, the point I wanted to get across outside of Durant's 185 bench not meaning much, was that if Oden doesn't check out well with team docs between his wrist (which may not have complete range of motion back yet) and something else I remember was an injury concern, then he may not be the safer pick because there is a chance he gets hurt. Durant should be a slam dunk offensively though, and Oden will be on the boards and blocking shots. It really depends what you prefer. But Durant has such a tremendous offensive arsenal, I have a hard time thinking he won't end up a great player. And I'd say if they have similar numbers, it would completely depend on their supporting casts and the success of their teams. But all else being equal, I think it makes more sense to be critical of the guy that gets picked number one, whoever that may be. But you're talking partially about their impacts and partially about how people will view them. Their impacts will be very different so it is difficult to compare, and I think they'll be viewed in a pretty similar manner. If they reach there potential then that's great, and if not it depends how close they get. It's hard to say people will be harder on Durant though. Plus, Oden will have the Sam Bowie questions from the getgo if he goes number 1.
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I never said Oden wasn't the safer pick, the point I wanted to get across outside of Durant's 185 bench not meaning much, was that if Oden doesn't check out well with team docs between his wrist (which may not have complete range of motion back yet) and something else I remember was an injury concern, then he may not be the safer pick because there is a chance he gets hurt. Durant should be a slam dunk offensively though, and Oden will be on the boards and blocking shots. It really depends what you prefer. But Durant has such a tremendous offensive arsenal, I have a hard time thinking he won't end up a great player. And I'd say if they have similar numbers, it would completely depend on their supporting casts and the success of their teams. But all else being equal, I think it makes more sense to be critical of the guy that gets picked number one, whoever that may be. But you're talking partially about their impacts and partially about how people will view them. Their impacts will be very different so it is difficult to compare, and I think they'll be viewed in a pretty similar manner. If they reach there potential then that's great, and if not it depends how close they get. It's hard to say people will be harder on Durant though. Plus, Oden will have the Sam Bowie questions from the getgo if he goes number 1.
Yeah Oden will have the Bowie comparisons which will be hard to break from. If he doesnt show progress in the first year, the word bust will be screamed all over the country.

Also, look what Oden has done with only one good wrist. That shows he has a huge upside as well. I think that Portland has more pieces already than Seattle so whoever goes to Portland has a better chance of making their team better this season.

If Oden ends up a bust and Durant is an all-star, you might as well just move the team because the entire state of Oregon will be trying to kill the Blazers GM. If I were Portland, Oden is the pick that makes most sense still though.
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I was just thinking about how the next two "superstars" are going to the Western Conference. I guess its good the Pistons, but I would like to see the conference get better so I don't have to deal with "Well you guys play in the East''.
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I was just thinking about how the next two "superstars" are going to the Western Conference. I guess its good the Pistons, but I would like to see the conference get better so I don't have to deal with "Well you guys play in the East''.
Western Pacific Conference at that. Land of the Lakers Suns and Warriors. That division is guna be stacked in the next 5 years.
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It's pretty laughable that some of you guys assume that Durant hasn't touched the weights. A major program like UT has a workout program. I'm sure Durant was a part of it. Come on. If he isn't strong, then so be it. But please don't come on here and act like he hasn't ever touched weights.
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It's pretty laughable that some of you guys assume that Durant hasn't touched the weights. A major program like UT has a workout program. I'm sure Durant was a part of it. Come on. If he isn't strong, then so be it. But please don't come on here and act like he hasn't ever touched weights.

If they had a useful workout program, explain to me how someone whose that much of a natural athlete cant lift 185 once. Anyway, i could care less if he cant lift 130. I havent seen it hurt him at all. hes a basketball player, not a weightlifter.
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It's pretty laughable that some of you guys assume that Durant hasn't touched the weights. A major program like UT has a workout program. I'm sure Durant was a part of it. Come on. If he isn't strong, then so be it. But please don't come on here and act like he hasn't ever touched weights.
Yeah that was a little ridiculous.
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Lets just face it now, no body will live up to M.J. expectations, he is a one of a kind player who can score from anywhere and a great defender, but Durant can do some of the same things, & honestly i only feel that Oden will be a decent player maybe 15 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks a night(still good but not game changing)
Says the man who drafted Greg Oden for the Phoenix Suns and had Zach Randolph at SF rather then drafting Kevin Durant and having Randolph at PF lol.

I think both are great players, Portland can't go wrong really. But in the end I would pick Oden, franchise centers like Oden don't come around very often, while they could trade up with there bunch of 2nd round picks to get a guy like Jeff Green.
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It's pretty laughable that some of you guys assume that Durant hasn't touched the weights. A major program like UT has a workout program. I'm sure Durant was a part of it. Come on. If he isn't strong, then so be it. But please don't come on here and act like he hasn't ever touched weights.
Obviously he's lifted, but obviously he hasn't really concentrated on it and who can blame him. If some team was really concerned about his inability to bench 185, I'm sure they could have him work harder at it and he'd be able to and it'd be fine. He may have lifted, but he certainly has room to grow both bigger and stronger. Besides that, as somebody mentioned, it's tough to bench when your arms are that long. I exaggerated, but he definitely can improve significantly in that area, fair?
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imo the reason Durant can't rep 185 is because he never worked out in his life, he probably never touched weights in high school & he was only in college for a little bit before basketball started & i know most bball players don't work out in the season, once he hits the weight room imagine how much better his inside game will become
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Obviously he's lifted, but obviously he hasn't really concentrated on it and who can blame him. If some team was really concerned about his inability to bench 185, I'm sure they could have him work harder at it and he'd be able to and it'd be fine. He may have lifted, but he certainly has room to grow both bigger and stronger. Besides that, as somebody mentioned, it's tough to bench when your arms are that long. I exaggerated, but he definitely can improve significantly in that area, fair?
Yeah Derza, that was my point. Just because he didn't lift 185, people can't ASSUME he doesn't lift or hasn't ever lifted. That is just stupid, especially when he's been at UT for a year. I could see if he didn't lift in high school, but at UT, he'd be in the weight room.
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Ok word out of Atown, this is their bigboard for PG's:

1) Acie Law
2) Javarris Crittenton
3) Mike Conley Jr.

And apparently the Hawks are seriously considering Acie at #3, you all know what I'd think of it, but I have no problem with this big board, it's all preference. I am a Conley fan but he is not the elite PG prospect all of these drafts sites are making him out to be, I would not be shocked if he is not the first PG taken. This could all be smoke, but you never know.
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Ok word out of Atown, this is their bigboard for PG's:

1) Acie Law
2) Javarris Crittenton
3) Mike Conley Jr.

And apparently the Hawks are seriously considering Acie at #3, you all know what I'd think of it, but I have no problem with this big board, it's all preference. I am a Conley fan but he is not the elite PG prospect all of these drafts sites are making him out to be, I would not be shocked if he is not the first PG taken. This could all be smoke, but you never know.
take Acie at 11. anything earlier is horrible, and i personally love conley. i think he's going to be a stud. very, very, very high basketball IQ.
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Ok word out of Atown, this is their bigboard for PG's:

1) Acie Law
2) Javarris Crittenton
3) Mike Conley Jr.

And apparently the Hawks are seriously considering Acie at #3, you all know what I'd think of it, but I have no problem with this big board, it's all preference. I am a Conley fan but he is not the elite PG prospect all of these drafts sites are making him out to be, I would not be shocked if he is not the first PG taken. This could all be smoke, but you never know.
Ugh... This can go so many different ways...

1) The Hawks think that Acie Law is the best prospect.
2) They could be posturing...
3) Billy Knight bungling the draft again...
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