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Old 06-03-2007, 04:50 AM    (permalink
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He was pretty useless, he could possibly convert but it would take a godlike coach and if Chicago's other WRs are any indication they're not exactly the best coaches in that area.
Injuries have been a much bigger problem for our WR's then coaching. That and inconsistency at the QB position. When our younger talent like Bradley and Berrian have been able to make it on the field they usually light it up. Id also attribute Moose to helping some of the youngins develop.

Also Hester has looked good in training camp from what I have heard. He's shown amazing hands and has taken a couple to the house against our D. Take it for what it is worth.
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pfff receiving is for pussies, Boldin only catches the ball so he can legally run people over


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While I know I risk coming off as fanboy hating Reese because he's no longer the Titans GM, is it just me or is the underlying theme of every article he writes a sales pitch for team owners next offseason for his GM services?

Is anyone else keeping up with his writings? I think just about everything so far has referred to the Titans and usually recent picks that haven't worked out so great yet, which he then subtly passes the blame on for or offers a more positive point of view than you'd expect - such as the Schobel, Odom and LaBoy picks a few years ago, which he considered successful because the combined production between the three is roughly on par with the production you'd expect from one highly picked DE.
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When Hester was on offense he never really lined up much at WR. Most of the time he was at RB or FB and got a pitch or a swing pass out of the backfield. Something to get him in open space. I really think if the Bears would have stayed with it he could have developed into a good CB or even FS. He had 5 ints in spot duty on defense as a sophomore. He had a lot of injuries his junior year and played both offense and defense as well as every special team. He'll make some good plays here and there on offense, but I think it would have been much smarter to let him develop at CB.

As for the speed, Mike Vick? Really? Because he ran at Virginia Tech aka the fastest track in America?
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one thing I wonder, as you see in Madden now, is that every year there's a number of guys who run 4.23 40-s for the draft (in franchise mode) right now that gives them 99 speed. If Hester is given 100, is it possible to actually draft guys with 100 speed as well, or can they make it so that only Hester gets that amount? That'd be sick though, a team full of 100 speed guys... SICK
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When Hester was on offense he never really lined up much at WR. Most of the time he was at RB or FB and got a pitch or a swing pass out of the backfield. Something to get him in open space. I really think if the Bears would have stayed with it he could have developed into a good CB or even FS. He had 5 ints in spot duty on defense as a sophomore. He had a lot of injuries his junior year and played both offense and defense as well as every special team. He'll make some good plays here and there on offense, but I think it would have been much smarter to let him develop at CB.

As for the speed, Mike Vick? Really? Because he ran at Virginia Tech aka the fastest track in America?
Little known fact, I ran a 4.5 at Virginia Tech.
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Hester is actually very fast straight line..not the fastest in league but hes up there. Hes also 1 of the quickest players in NFL. and he has very good vision.
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Hester's best attribute isn't his speed, it's his vision and ability to set up blocks. That's what seperates him from other returners. Just because your fast in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be at great and returning kicks.
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Receiver takes a different skill set, you have to be more determined and a smart player. It isn't just a read and react position. Some can do both, others can't, like Hall.
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Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.
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Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.
you time him over and over? who are u to say he runs a 4.4 flat when thats not accurate

hes done between 4.27 and 4.51 and supposivly, he had new shoes he never wore and said he nearly cried after that time
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Hester's best attribute isn't his speed, it's his vision and ability to set up blocks. That's what seperates him from other returners. Just because your fast in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be at great and returning kicks.
yeah but you can't really implement that into Madden, or any game for that matter, where speed DOES make a big difference.

I guess that's why EA decided this was necessary.
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if he can line up in the backfield like trung candidate (yeah, blast from the past...) did (which is the key word in this line of thinking)... and line up like Reggie Bush does to Brees left or right... and catch a few passes here and there... he can move, juke, then outrun one person. and sometimes, with decent blocking, that's all he'll ever need. hester already can get YAC, it's a proven fact, tackling? he has a nose for angles and beating pursuit and setting up blocks on a bears return team and offense that blocks pretty well (muhammad and bradley both got enough physicality to set decent blocks). and on a screen pass i would be very scared.
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Despite being fast, neither Bush nor Vick nor Rossum (now adays) are as fast as Hester.
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Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.
I agree, for the most part. I think his speed is very fast, but not tops in the league. What makes him faster on the field than anyone in the league is his acceleration. He catches the ball and then by his second step, he's going full speed. I think his real speed is somewhere in the 4.35 range.
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If it sounds like I am a Hester fan, it is because I am. Following the Vince oung selection in the 2006 NFL draft, we traded down to the No. 45 slot in the second round to draft Hester. I had his draft card in my hand and had him on the phone.

A last-second plea by the coaches stopped the selection. Not once in my career had I ever taken a name off the board on draft day and not made the selection. Four issues affected my decision:

1. The confidence of the coaches in LenDale White.
2. The need for a young running back.
3. I could not decide with certainty where to play Hester.
4. We had a Pro Bowl-caliber returner in Pacman Jones.
it sure has paid off for him.
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Id have to say Fabian and Hester are neck and neck in terms of speed.Id say Fabian is a bit faster.
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The entire Raiders CB rotation is blazing fast. Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, and John Bowie are all track stars
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Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.
Agree 100%. I wouldn't put him in the top ten for straight line speed. Matt Giordano very nearly stopped his super bowl TD, coming from behind and from the other side of the field.
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