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View Poll Results: who is the best defensive player
Champ Bailey 63 44.06%
Ed Reed 24 16.78%
Brian Urlacher 24 16.78%
Jason Taylor 7 4.90%
other 25 17.48%
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:11 AM    (permalink
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Since when is Denver's defense piss poor? It's been in the top 10 for the last decade or so.
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Shawne Merriman gettin' no love? He's the best.
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Not having Peppers on that list makes my blood boil.
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Julius Peppers FTW.
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Ok I am going to suprise people and probably take a beating for what I am about to say but here it goes. BOB Sanders Honestly did anyone see how mutch that D improved when he was on the feild he is a great player that does not get as much love as he deserves.
Yeah, but he isn't the best defensive player in the game. Peppers for me. The man can do it all
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I've got to go with Peppers. When he is on, he is damn near impossible to stop.
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I've got to go with Peppers. When he is on, he is damn near impossible to stop.
Must not have been on during the Steelers game because Max Starks completely stonewalled him.
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ill take Urlacher any day after watching him come within a couple feet of chasing down bush in the play off game.

Not to mention he got 3rd in the MVP voting his rookie year.

Seems like hes in on every single tackle there is. the guy is a machine
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The defensive MVP Jason Taylor. :)

Seriously, Champ Bailey. Best CB in the league by far, dominated all year and while he has gotten beaten some in the past he still has played great for a good amount of time. I'm not really impressed with Urlacher. Great pass defender, but I don't like his physicality or his football smarts. He is probably 5 at best for defensive players for me, closer to 6. If Merriman can do it again next year he'll be top 2 but he is probably #5 right now. Peppers is 4, love him but he needs to be more consistent. Reed is #3 just because he plays safety I can't put him higher. Taylor is #2.
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I'll certainly concede that Bailey is the best corner, but I'm having trouble giving the title of best overall defensive player who's only real job is to keep one man under wraps. Not saying that it is easy, but I'd argue that players like Urlacher and Reed, who make plays all over the field on all three levels of the defense are, if not more important, bigger impact players.

I went with Reed because every time I get to watch the guy I always come away more impressed than I am with any other defensive player (although Merrimen comes close). His instincts are amazing, and while his production hasn't quite been up to par the last few years, I feel much better giving it to him than a player like Bailey.
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I'll certainly concede that Bailey is the best corner, but I'm having trouble giving the title of best overall defensive player who's only real job is to keep one man under wraps. Not saying that it is easy, but I'd argue that players like Urlacher and Reed, who make plays all over the field on all three levels of the defense are, if not more important, bigger impact players.

I went with Reed because every time I get to watch the guy I always come away more impressed than I am with any other defensive player (although Merrimen comes close). His instincts are amazing, and while his production hasn't quite been up to par the last few years, I feel much better giving it to him than a player like Bailey.
Well to be fair, in '05 he had a high ankle sprain all year.
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Well to be fair, in '05 he had a high ankle sprain all year.
Yeah, I give him a certain amount of slack in that regard. Maybe I'm just having a hard time getting over what a playmaker he was in '03 and '04, but I don't think any other defensive player is obviously better than him (although I see a couple that could move ahead of him very soon, even if he starts producing like he did when he won DPOY).
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Pass Rusher followed by Cover cornerback are the most important positions to a franchise, defensively they make the most impact. IMO Ed Reed as great as he is, just isn't the best in the league.

Urlacher is undoubtedly the best leader in the game defensively and has a good mind for changing the play at the line of scrimmage, he's great in all facets of the game.

What you cannot do imo, is simply pick "one" best player for the entire defensive side of football. For starters, some positions are naturally going to have more visible impact than others.

So I'd have an elite tier of defensive talent:
Bailey
Peppers
Urlacher
Reed
Taylor

Then I'd have the next tier
McAllister
Sanders
Suggs
Merriman

Followed by the next and so fourth

That said however, I would pick Peppers and its insane he's not on that list, every year 10+ sacks and multiple plays that leave me saying "How the hell does he do that"
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Its Champ

but has anyone else noticed that anytime we have a poll the 1st name on the list usually picks up the most votes ? Strange but true in 95% of polls
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Pass Rusher followed by Cover cornerback are the most important positions to a franchise, defensively they make the most impact. IMO Ed Reed as great as he is, just isn't the best in the league.

Urlacher is undoubtedly the best leader in the game defensively and has a good mind for changing the play at the line of scrimmage, he's great in all facets of the game.

What you cannot do imo, is simply pick "one" best player for the entire defensive side of football. For starters, some positions are naturally going to have more visible impact than others.

So I'd have an elite tier of defensive talent:
Bailey
Peppers
Urlacher
Reed
Taylor

Then I'd have the next tier
McAllister
Sanders
Suggs
Merriman

Followed by the next and so fourth

That said however, I would pick Peppers and its insane he's not on that list, every year 10+ sacks and multiple plays that leave me saying "How the hell does he do that"


if you read i forgot to put him on
i tried to get one of each defensive position
thats why u put other if u want peppers
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A player of his calibre, same with Merriman for that matter, deserve their own name, not just lumped into "other"
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Pass Rusher followed by Cover cornerback are the most important positions to a franchise, defensively they make the most impact. IMO Ed Reed as great as he is, just isn't the best in the league.

Urlacher is undoubtedly the best leader in the game defensively and has a good mind for changing the play at the line of scrimmage, he's great in all facets of the game.

What you cannot do imo, is simply pick "one" best player for the entire defensive side of football. For starters, some positions are naturally going to have more visible impact than others.

So I'd have an elite tier of defensive talent:
Bailey
Peppers
Urlacher
Reed
Taylor

Then I'd have the next tier
McAllister
Sanders
Suggs
Merriman

Followed by the next and so fourth

That said however, I would pick Peppers and its insane he's not on that list, every year 10+ sacks and multiple plays that leave me saying "How the hell does he do that"
You say pass rusher is important but you have Merriman, he of the 17/12 sacks to games ratio, in the lower tier of talent? I don't really understand
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Pass Rusher followed by Cover cornerback are the most important positions to a franchise, defensively they make the most impact. IMO Ed Reed as great as he is, just isn't the best in the league.

Urlacher is undoubtedly the best leader in the game defensively and has a good mind for changing the play at the line of scrimmage, he's great in all facets of the game.

What you cannot do imo, is simply pick "one" best player for the entire defensive side of football. For starters, some positions are naturally going to have more visible impact than others.

So I'd have an elite tier of defensive talent:
Bailey
Peppers
Urlacher
Reed
Taylor

Then I'd have the next tier
McAllister
Sanders
Suggs
Merriman

Followed by the next and so fourth

That said however, I would pick Peppers and its insane he's not on that list, every year 10+ sacks and multiple plays that leave me saying "How the hell does he do that"

And how do you have Sanders ahead of Dawkins?
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Its Champ

but has anyone else noticed that anytime we have a poll the 1st name on the list usually picks up the most votes ? Strange but true in 95% of polls
I guess because people put their own choice, which is most likely to be agreed upon by many on top I suppose.

What I always find funny is that there's always more voters than people discussing it, some people come in, vote, and then leave.
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And how do you have Sanders ahead of Dawkins?
Dawkins is actually my number one safety in the NFL, as per my safety rankings, I missed out a few players, I was just doing it as an example.
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The best Defensive Player has to be Shawne Merriman
if I had a list it would be
1.Shawne Merriman
2.Brian Urlacher
3.Champ Bailey
4.Ed Reed
5.Brian Dawkins
6.Julius Peppers
7.John Henderson
8.Troy Polamalu
9.Tommy Harris
10.Ray Lewis
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Dawkins is actually my number one safety in the NFL, as per my safety rankings, I missed out a few players, I was just doing it as an example.
Oh my bad.
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