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Old 06-07-2007, 01:12 AM    (permalink
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They can always move Randy Moss to CB.
They could do that or throw Troy Brown back there like they did a couple of seasons ago. If they still have him...
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They could do that or throw Troy Brown back there like they did a couple of seasons ago. If they still have him...
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors;_...48sYEsiWTsYNAF

According to a source with knowledge of the situation, "several teams" have expressed a willingness to meet Asante Samuel's asking price, which is a contract in the neighborhood of the eight-year, $80 million deal free agent Nate Clements signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

The Patriots offered a one-year, $7.79 million franchise tender that Samuel has yet to sign.

The source said the New York Jets inquired about Samuel, but declined to acknowledge their interest or disclose if it was affected by the NFL draft-day trade that netted Pitt corner Darrelle Revis in the first round.
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I can rest happy knowing the Skins have no interest or need in him.
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I actually think Samuel has more leverage than Briggs. I don't either player has much, but his man-to-man coverage skills are a lot harder to replace than playing WLB in a cover 2 scheme, and generally garners a much higher price tag. I was wondering when he was going to go public, as he has a bigger complaint than Briggs does in all honesty.
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that would be completly stupid in my mind... just play take the god dam 7 mill... that your getting to PLAY a game that you LOVE...

then i dont know get a contract next season maybe, 7 mill is a lot of money and isnt the franchise tag amount like something to do with the highset paid player at that position for a year or something? so he is gettinga whole hell of a lot of money.. come on man you have a chance for another title... take it most guys dont get that chance
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see..if Asante can play like he did last year..no doubt he deserves what he wants. he was lights out

but..he only started at left CB ahead of Hobbs for little more than half the season. Hobbs took over as #1 CB but got hurt and went to #2

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-maybe 9 games of great play at CB..before that he wasnt much. he needs to prove more
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To me, this is looking more and more like a trade situation. The veterans don't seem to attached to Samuel ala Branch last year. The guy has a "Get Paid" tatoo, and seems to want a lot of cash. The Patriots shouldn't pay him HUGE money in my opinion, something reasonable, yes, but not a huge deal. Samuel had 1 great year, if he declines next year, it would be a bad move. I say, grab two firsts from some team desperate for a guy like Samuel, take the lumps and build off it. Two firsts for Samuel would be a great move for the Pats.
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He is a late round pick who has ONE season that warrants all the hype and talk of "being paid" . I consider the franchise tag and the $7 plus million a pretty fair pay day for such a guy. If he delivers the goods again, then he can talk multi year big bucks. I am curious(sp) if any one knows after what year did Brady get his payday ? after SB #1 or later...
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that would be completly stupid in my mind... just play take the god dam 7 mill... that your getting to PLAY a game that you LOVE...

then i dont know get a contract next season maybe,
yeah next season MAYBE is he doesn't get injured playing for a one year contract with no security...the NFL is a business...and you have to protect your interest.....and it is easy for you to say....because you have never seen that much money in your life so you can loo at the situation from your couch and talk like a civilian....forget that.....go get your money is what I say....because the moment he starts to decline he is gonna get cut.....milk the most ruthless league by far out of the major sports for as much as you can I say
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To me, this is looking more and more like a trade situation. The veterans don't seem to attached to Samuel ala Branch last year. The guy has a "Get Paid" tatoo, and seems to want a lot of cash. The Patriots shouldn't pay him HUGE money in my opinion, something reasonable, yes, but not a huge deal. Samuel had 1 great year, if he declines next year, it would be a bad move. I say, grab two firsts from some team desperate for a guy like Samuel, take the lumps and build off it. Two firsts for Samuel would be a great move for the Pats.
no franchise in their right mind will give up two first round picks...and if you think otherwise...you are high....a cpu Madden franchise wouldn't even accept that deal...
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no franchise in their right mind will give up two first round picks...and if you think otherwise...you are high....a cpu Madden franchise wouldn't even accept that deal...
Don't be so sure, coaches have been swapped for multiple picks, If I remember right, the Bucs gave up 2 for Gruden, and the Giants gave up a ton for mediocre Eli. Some franchise would be willing to do that, if they believed it could get them to the superbowl. I agree no franchise SHOULD do it, but some would.
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Don't be so sure, coaches have been swapped for multiple picks, If I remember right, the Bucs gave up 2 for Gruden, and the Giants gave up a ton for mediocre Eli. Some franchise would be willing to do that, if they believed it could get them to the superbowl. I agree no franchise SHOULD do it, but some would.

One deal was for a Super Bowl winning coach...and the other was for a potential franchise QB...no franchise is giving up two first round picks for a DB....I would bet the house on it.....
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Nowadays where elite cover corners are so valued, I wouldn't be suprised. Gruden in my mind was hardly worth the picks, he took over a very good Dungy team, and brought it downhill from there. Don't be suprised to see a team chuck 2 1sts, or a 1st and a 2nd. To me, a deal getting done seems remote, unless it greatly favors the Pats through incentives, or options.
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Samuel would not bring multiple high draft picks. He doesn't have that kind of impact. The only corner who would warrant that would be Denver's Bailey, and I don't think I would do it for him (Bailey) now b/c he won't be contributing that kind of impact for that many more years.

You need to look at the whole picture in these situations as it is often a combo of factors that lead to a guy looking or peforming this well.

+ He plays for a team loaded at d-line that is pressuring the qb fairly well and
shutting down the run.
+ He plays for a team that is upper echelon, often in the lead.
+ He plays for a coach that is about as good as it gets at confusing QB's
with different looks / coverages

All of this helps Samuel put up such a season. His team is going to be winning, teams are forced to throw, he is a ballhawk by nature and he played to his strenghts.

If he gets traded to the Cardinals (just a random choice) for a one and a four is he gonna put up those numbers ? I don't think so. He isn't a shut down corner you are , as an o- coordinator, going to stay away from his side of the field. On the contrary, teams did throw at Samuel and he , to his credit , performed.

He is looking to get paid off his last year and it should be more correctly off the entire body of work he has put up. I remember him being smoked in the Denver divisional game 2 years ago for a TD. He is due a raise, the one year deal via franchise tag is over market IMO, if he wants a long term deal with $$ guaranteed, I think he needs to take a little less and stay put. He is a good player in a VERY GOOD situation in NE and I strongly believe he would not experience the success he has to this point in to many other situations.
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I really hope he doesn't maybe a chink in the pats armor.

But it won't matter they with still win the super bowl.
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I don't see why everyone is acting like the Pats already won something? Have you all learned nothing from the countless examples of preseason champs that fall flat on their face? You don't even have to look back that far, as the Panthers of last year are a perfect example.
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I don't see why everyone is acting like the Pats already won something? Have you all learned nothing from the countless examples of preseason champs that fall flat on their face? You don't even have to look back that far, as the Panthers of last year are a perfect example.
they're the Patriots, plus they've improved, we're just looking forward and the pats winning it as of now a likely scenario.
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they're the Patriots, plus they've improved, we're just looking forward and the pats winning it as of now a likely scenario.
No it's not.

A likely scenario is over 50%. If you gave me the field of 31 other teams versus the Pats I would take any offer you wanted to lay on the table.

This is what I'm talking about. They haven't won anything yet. They added a potential washed up player and a pass rusher. Both could work out. Both could not. Right now they are nothing more than the offseason champions, and usually that doesn't turn out to be a good thing.
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The only post in the thread that mentions the Patriots chances of winning the Superbowl is the one that immediatelly precedes yours. The topic is Asante Samuel's contract situation.
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The Patriots ARE the favorites to win the Super Bowl. I don't think there is much question about that.
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No it's not.

A likely scenario is over 50%. If you gave me the field of 31 other teams versus the Pats I would take any offer you wanted to lay on the table.

This is what I'm talking about. They haven't won anything yet. They added a potential washed up player and a pass rusher. Both could work out. Both could not. Right now they are nothing more than the offseason champions, and usually that doesn't turn out to be a good thing.
Your definition of likely is way off. Let's break this down in slomo

32 teams -> one trophy. So in a perfectly honest world, every team would have about 3.13% chance to win, agreed?

Now let's say half the teams in the league don't have the stuff to win it in the first place, barring a miracle of course. So that's still 16 teams, or 6.25% chance.

Now let's say we break it down one more step, logically so this is barring major change and all that. Let's say 8 teams are still contending at this point. chances of winning it all are 12.5 percent, seems fair right?

So your definition of likely flies... in a two team league. Now even if we narrow it down a whole lot, it still comes down to the fact wether the chance the pats win it all are larger than 12.5 percent AT MOST. If you wish to put everybody in as a contender, the percentage drops to 3.13.

So depending on your definition of a 'contender', as long as the pats' chance of winning the superbowl is larger than 3.13% or 12.5%, I can call it a likely situation. And let me assure you, I feel their chances exceed 12.5 percent. Class excused.
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You need to find yourself a dictionary.

If someone says they are likely to do something it means there is a greater chance that it will happen than not. On an injury report if a player is listed as probable (which, by definition, is more or less the same thing as likely), it means there is a greater than 50% chance of them doing it (in this case around 75%).

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Brady signed a 6 year $60 mill contract in '05 ..

Samuel wants similar deal to Clements which turns out to be close to 10 mill per year like Brady on average. Thats ridiculous..hes nowhere near what Brady's worth and hes done it for 1 year..less actually. He shines in playoffs in past but only 1 really good season(less than a full season actually)
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Brady is worth way more than 6 for 60 million. Especially with the new CBA. You're comparing apples and oranges.
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