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Old 12-04-2006, 09:37 PM    (permalink
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Florida shut down McFadden and Jones without MT, that is enough to comfort me into knowing we can slow down Ohio State's running game. As for Harvin... sure, he's played in 10 games, but several of those he was still injured in and hardly got any snaps. He's played about 5-6 games fully healthy. The Florida State and Arkansas games showed what he can do.
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
I'm not questioning Ohio St's ranking at all cuz that would just be stupid of me, I'm just saying with a playoff, that will proove that even more.
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
I'm not questioning Ohio St's ranking at all cuz that would just be stupid of me, I'm just saying with a playoff, that will proove that even more.
Fair enough.
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Florida shut down McFadden and Jones without MT, that is enough to comfort me into knowing we can slow down Ohio State's running game. As for Harvin... sure, he's played in 10 games, but several of those he was still injured in and hardly got any snaps. He's played about 5-6 games fully healthy. The Florida State and Arkansas games showed what he can do.
You can stack the box against the razorbacks cuz Casy Dick is a terrible QB, who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat
True enough, but I'm just not worried about Florida's run defense. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. What worries me is all the time Smith will have to throw, especially since Florida has done a poor job, at best, of getting pressure on the QB lately.
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
I'm not questioning Ohio St's ranking at all cuz that would just be stupid of me, I'm just saying with a playoff, that will proove that even more.
Fair enough.
Or in a situation like this, have a three team playoff with Ohio St. getting a bye and Michigan playing Florida in Glendale on Dec. 14th.
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What is the update on Ray McDonald? I know when they first reported the injury it was a broken wrist (I think, maybe arm). Is that for sure the injury?
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What is the update on Ray McDonald? I know when they first reported the injury it was a broken wrist (I think, maybe arm). Is that for sure the injury?
I'm fairly certain it's a break.
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
I'm not questioning Ohio St's ranking at all cuz that would just be stupid of me, I'm just saying with a playoff, that will proove that even more.
Fair enough.
Or in a situation like this, have a three team playoff with Ohio St. getting a bye and Michigan playing Florida in Glendale on Dec. 14th.
I like the idea of a 3-team playoff this year, but there would be other years last year for example where Penn State wasn't quite deserving of playing Texas to see who plays USC. It would work perfect this year, but not every year. No matter what the system, a team will always get snubbed (most years).
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Ugh, it's so annoying how Michigan fans can't get past the fact they're not in the big dance.

You had your chance so shut up. Talk about the real National Championship: Ohio State vs. Florida and not these dumb lopsided predictions. For anyone who actually watched Florida and doesn't just look at the stats, they'd know Florida has a dominant defense, and while Michigan's proved dominant during the season, Florida matches up more favorabley against Ohio State because of the amount of speed they can put on the field at once and still have the bulk of a Michigan defense.

Many forget that after Marcus Thomas got kicked off the team, Siler and Everett were both banged up. That could contribute to the 1.5 YPC difference without him.

It really has no bearing, because Marcus Thomas wasn't even in on that many obvious running downs. He was our one gap pass rusher, and it's really an overrated loss.

If McDonald doesn't play, that's even bigger.
No, u shut the *********** up. U know if Florida woulda been left out u'd still be bitching. Understandibly, but u guys would still be complaing, so u can it!
Not only was that terribly hard to read, it doesn't matter how I'd act, because it didn't happen. We're in the big game. Michigan isn't. Wolverine fans need to quiet up and start looking towards the Rose Bowl.

Nothing wrong with believing it's going to be lopsided but it's a bit of a coincidence that the people that think that are either Michigan fans or fans of teams that hate the Gators.
And just to add something, I am not complaing that Florida got in over us. Even me myself said if Florida won the SEC Championship and UCLA beat USC, we'll see Florida and Ohio St. I'm just mad at the system, cuz how are people supposed to know Florida is better than Michigan. How are people supposed to know Ohio St. is really the #1 team in the nation. So I am not complaing that Florida is in over us, I am complaing about the system, so shut up about us bitching too much because Auburn did the same thing two years ago, so there.
They earned it by being the only team to go undefeated in a major conference.
I'm not questioning Ohio St's ranking at all cuz that would just be stupid of me, I'm just saying with a playoff, that will proove that even more.
Fair enough.
Or in a situation like this, have a three team playoff with Ohio St. getting a bye and Michigan playing Florida in Glendale on Dec. 14th.
I like the idea of a 3-team playoff this year, but there would be other years (last year for example) where Penn State wasn't quite deserving of playing Texas to see who plays USC. It would work perfect this year, but not every year. No matter what the system, a team will always get snubbed (most years).
Yeah, I know.....I mean Boise St. can make a case cuz they are the only other team with 0 loses. But that way, we could say it was decided on the field and not by a bunch of people in suits.
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I am not knocking Florida one bit. However, I think it is absurd to say that Florida has an infinitely faster defense than Michigan. Florida may have a small edge on the defensive line, but they also lack the overwhelming physicality that the Wolverines brought to the table which gave Ohio State fits. The linebackers are so close in terms of speed it is not even funny.

Frankly, the loss of Marcus Thomas does hurt. He was the best one-gapper for the Gators, and they could struggle to put pressure on Smith. Ohio State has the second best wide receiver depth in the country (behind USC) and they could efficiently move the ball down the field working underneath, taking the safeties out of it unless they cheat up, which will cause a problem over the top. Still, Ginn Jr. going deep shouldn't be the main concern, it should be Gonzalez, Robiskie, or Hartline testing a linebacker or a dime back.

It has been said before, but Chris Leak is going up against a defense that forces turnovers and capitilizes on them. On the flip side, Florida has to deal with a composed quarterback in Smith that shines the brightest on the biggest stages.

The Gators are even outmatched in the coaching sector. Urban Meyer is a good coach, but Tressel is an elite one. He will make sure the Buckeyes roll into and through Glendale.

Like I said, I forsee a 10-14 point game. I doubt Florida ever falls more than two scores behind, but I doubt that they are ever really in the game too.
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To everyone who is in favor of a playoff......Tressel won I think 7 national titles in the playoff format in DI-AA. This is because he builds his teams to get better and better with each game. (The Buckeyes were not very good in 2004 until the end of the year in which they could've played with anybody). If we get a playoff then OSU will win more titles than it has.

Jim Tressel has said that he once had a team that peaked too early and that "that'll never happen again." I don't want a playoff system, but if there was one Ohio State might win or go to the title game almost every year. Be careful what you wish for
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To everyone who is in favor of a playoff......Tressel won I think 7 national titles in the playoff format in DI-AA. This is because he builds his teams to get better and better with each game. (The Buckeyes were not very good in 2004 until the end of the year in which they could've played with anybody). If we get a playoff then OSU will win more titles than it has.

Jim Tressel has said that he once had a team that peaked too early and that "that'll never happen again." I don't want a playoff system, but if there was one Ohio State might win or go to the title game almost every year. Be careful what you wish for
IDC if that were to happen. If thats the case, good for Tressell and Ohio St. At least they won it on the field and not by a corrupted system.
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To everyone who is in favor of a playoff......Tressel won I think 7 national titles in the playoff format in DI-AA. This is because he builds his teams to get better and better with each game. (The Buckeyes were not very good in 2004 until the end of the year in which they could've played with anybody). If we get a playoff then OSU will win more titles than it has.

Jim Tressel has said that he once had a team that peaked too early and that "that'll never happen again." I don't want a playoff system, but if there was one Ohio State might win or go to the title game almost every year. Be careful what you wish for
Homerism taken to an artform. I question whether Ohio State could have gone punch-for-punch with USC in 2004. Heck, there were a few teams that I do not think the Buckeyes could have beaten even though they improved late.

Can you admit that the Buckeyes might not win? It is not Ohio State's god-given right to be great. And while Jim Tressel is the best coach in college football, he isn't the second coming of Jesus. Every program has their down years and to suggest that Ohio State is immune to such fluctuations is ludicrous. I am not saying they wouldn't be in contention most years. But I am saying that they would not dominate a playoff.
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To everyone who is in favor of a playoff......Tressel won I think 7 national titles in the playoff format in DI-AA. This is because he builds his teams to get better and better with each game. (The Buckeyes were not very good in 2004 until the end of the year in which they could've played with anybody). If we get a playoff then OSU will win more titles than it has.

Jim Tressel has said that he once had a team that peaked too early and that "that'll never happen again." I don't want a playoff system, but if there was one Ohio State might win or go to the title game almost every year. Be careful what you wish for
Tressel can win as many NC as he wants, as long as I know that my team's fate was decided on the field, and not by the minds of voter. Also, just because Tressel won 7 titles in DI-AA doesn't mean he's going to the Championship game every year.
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People are sleeping on Florida. Belive me, I don't trust Chris Leak in a big game, but that defense is going to severely limit Ohio State's high powered offense. Jarvis Moss is an absolute beast, Brandon Siler is the best linebacker in the country, Earl Everett is a hell of a player, Reggie Nelson has been the best defensive back in the nation this year, Ryan Smith is a hell of a corner. If this isn't a close game, that neither team breaks 30 in, i'll be very surprised.
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Florida fans talk to me when u lose to Ohio St. by 3 in Columbus. Oh, wait a minute. They won't.

1. They won't in Columbus.
2. They'll lose by at least 14....and thats being nice.
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It's going to be track meet, like a previous post suggested, Harvin has to get his touches for Florida to keep up.

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It's going to be track meet, like a previous post suggested, Harvin has to get his touches for Florida to keep up.

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UF scores 33 I would leave this board.

UF has scored 30+ 4 times this season. Against Southern Miss, UCF(trash), Divsion 2 team, and Arkansas. Now all of sudden they are going to put up 30 vs a team l#2 in the nation in scoring defense?
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It's going to be track meet, like a previous post suggested, Harvin has to get his touches for Florida to keep up.

OSU 35
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UF scores 33 I would leave this board.

UF has scored 30+ 4 times this season. Against Southern Miss, UCF(trash), Divsion 2 team, and Arkansas. Now all of sudden they are going to put up 30 vs a team leading the nation in scoring defense?
Well, not that its gonna happen, but please don't leave, we're running out of people with actual brains on this site....
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Not sure what you're talking about, but I didnt see the Wolverines defense give Ohio State any fits on 11/18.

Ohio State might not score the most per game, but we absolutely have the best offense. There is not an offense in college football thats even close to the balance and talent for rushing & passing that we have.

After witnessing us single handedly pick apart what I thought was the best defense in a good 3-4 years, I don't think Florida will do much better. Their only hope is turnovers & Percy Harvin.

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I think James Laurinaitis just won the best defensive player in college football award. Although I will admit Florida has a better linebacking unit.


Finally, SEC is tough, but overrated. Wisconsin destroyed Auburn last year and Wiscy wasn't even that good. I'm going to say we'll rush for 175+ and pass for around 250. I think we're going to go with more of a run healthy offense. Our offensive line is the best in the nation, no doubt about it.
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I think James Laurinaitis just won the best defensive player in college football award. Although I will admit Florida has a better linebacking unit.


Finally, SEC is tough, but overrated. Wisconsin destroyed Auburn last year and Wiscy wasn't even that good. I'm going to say we'll rush for 175+ and pass for around 250. I think we're going to go with more of a run healthy offense. Our offensive line is the best in the nation, no doubt about it.
I thought that moss was a DE :?

And although OSUs OL is very good i still like Texas' as the best
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BTW gstock, he won the nagurski, the best defensive player award is the bednarik, which will go to Woodley :D
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BTW gstock, he won the nagurski, the best defensive player award is the bednarik, which will go to Woodley :D
They are both the best defensive player award, however, the Bednarik is more prestigious.
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BTW gstock, he won the nagurski, the best defensive player award is the bednarik, which will go to Woodley :D
They are both the best defensive player award, however, the Bednarik is more prestigious.
Yeah i'll go with that :D
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