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Old 06-10-2007, 08:36 PM    (permalink
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wow, that's a bit harsh for simms isn't it?
I always thought he was a career backup..
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Yeah, if Gruden doesn't win right now, you'll see him filling a coaching vaccancy next year. My guess is he needs to win 8 or 9 to stay.
I don't know about filling one, but he'll certainly be creating one.
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The right side of the line is actually one of the only things Tampa has going for them now. With 2nd year guys Davin Joseph and Jeremy Trueblood penciled in as starters that right side is probably the bright spot on an otherwise relatively inadequate line.
I would say the right side is something to have hope for, not something that is already going.
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No surprise to me. Actually I wish Chris Simms was the starter...
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not a good decision, Chris Simms was good but he got injured. He led the Bucs to the playoffs the year before. Garcia was good in offenses like the 49ers and Eagles that pass a lot and are "west coast". But the Bucs he does not fit, this is a bad decision
Utter nonsense. Simms has never been good. He has at times been average, at times he's shown flashes, and at times he's been horrid. In 2005 when Simms "lead" the Bucs to the playoffs the #1 D and a solid running game had more to do with the playoff berth than Simms.

In 2006 before he got hurt he was playing his way to the bench. The spleen injury just saved him from it.

The bottom line is he's never consistently proven himself and despite being in Gruden's system for +4 years he has never been able to answer that primary questions, is he the guy?
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No surprise to me. Actually I wish Chris Simms was the starter...
Wait, let me get this straight. You want us to beat you twice again? Cool by me...
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Chris Simms was not good before he got injured. He was horrid last year, go check the stats.
My god, a voice of reason.
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Wait, let me get this straight. You want us to beat you twice again? Cool by me...
I find that funny, specifically because Chris Simms had nothing to do with those victories. (or losses, depending on perspective.)
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I would say the right side is something to have hope for, not something that is already going.
I'd agree. I think Joseph will be solid this year. Trueblood had some growing pains last year, but I'm optimistic he'll progress. Run blocking on the right side should be improved, in previous years the Bucs rarely ran to the right.
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I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.
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I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.
Uh, no he wasn't. Even in '05 he was only producing at a below average game-manager level.
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Yeah, but he was still winning games.
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I think they pulled this move off because Gruden is scared, that he might lose his job. Garcia is good but come on as a back up yeah, he'll come in and win a few games for you but u cant expect him to start a whole season.

This is another example of a backup doing good/amazing and then he gets hyped up. Yes Gracia was not always a back up, but now he is.
Simms was doing fine puttin up nice numbers till he got a nice shot to the spline.
The hype is all on Simms. He was ok, nothing great. This is news because Simms is now put in the backup slot, and people for some reason think he's better.

If all that mattered was winning, Simms would have not even been given the reigns in the first place. Griese was 5-1 as a starter and Chris only started because Griese went down. Chris went on to go 6-5 the rest of the season (playoff game included), and was 0-3 as a starter this year. Simms wasn't winning or playing well, he could barely get the ball over the LOS. Anyone who thinks he played well last year must have their head in the sand.
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Newsflash: Gruden takes experienced veteran over youngster with potential at quarterback.

This shouldn't surprise anyone.
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The hype is all on Simms. He was ok, nothing great. This is news because Simms is now put in the backup slot, and people for some reason think he's better.

If all that mattered was winning, Simms would have not even been given the reigns in the first place. Griese was 5-1 as a starter and Chris only started because Griese went down. Chris went on to go 6-5 the rest of the season (playoff game included), and was 0-3 as a starter this year. Simms wasn't winning or playing well, he could barely get the ball over the LOS. Anyone who thinks he played well last year must have their head in the sand.
Griese got injured, that's why Simms went in, when he started playing well there was no reason to bench him.

Simms has all the tools, he just needs to put it all together, fact is his receivers simply aren't that great.
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Because he had a great defense, as well as Carnell Williams tearing it up (when healthy). The only game he's ever 'won' was against Washington in the regular season game in '05. That's the only game where he played exceptionally well and therefore could be accredited with the 'win.' My personal pet peeve is the constant, nonsensical, attribution of every win/loss squarely on the Quarterback, by the way.
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I don't think so, I think he did well when he needed to in most games that he won, granted he got a great amount of support, but at the same time he did well. Sure the stats are skewed, but if he had a nice drive when it was needed, he can't be all bad.
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I don't think so, I think he did well when he needed to in most games that he won, granted he got a great amount of support, but at the same time he did well. Sure the stats are skewed, but if he had a nice drive when it was needed, he can't be all bad.
Simms has really only had 1 really good game in his career. During the regular season vs. Skins in 05. Other than that it is some average play, some below average play, and some horrid play. He has never consistently proven that he can play at even an above average level. As a Buc fan I wish to god he would, because he represents the franchise's best option in terms of long term stability at the QB spot. But, he hasn't and Garcia being the early favorite is neither suprising nor disappointing based on Simms career to date.
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Newsflash: Gruden takes experienced veteran over youngster with potential at quarterback.

This shouldn't surprise anyone.
Really?

Is that why Gruden started a rookie 6th round draft pick last year when Simms got hurt? It isn't like Tim Rattay, a 7 year vet, was sitting on the bench.


Garcia getting the early nod doesn't suprise me because he's a better QB than Simms. Despite the fact that he's an experienced veteran.
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I find that funny, specifically because Chris Simms had nothing to do with those victories. (or losses, depending on perspective.)
Very profound statement. Our starting QB had nothing to do with our victories.
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I'd agree. I think Joseph will be solid this year. Trueblood had some growing pains last year, but I'm optimistic he'll progress. Run blocking on the right side should be improved, in previous years the Bucs rarely ran to the right.
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Simms has really only had 1 really good game in his career. During the regular season vs. Skins in 05. Other than that it is some average play, some below average play, and some horrid play. He has never consistently proven that he can play at even an above average level. As a Buc fan I wish to god he would, because he represents the franchise's best option in terms of long term stability at the QB spot. But, he hasn't and Garcia being the early favorite is neither suprising nor disappointing based on Simms career to date.
Statistically yes, but there's been other occasions where he's played well at points in games to help his team win. Overall his stats might not have been great but on a day where he completes 50% of his passes for example doesn't matter if on one drive he goes 7/7 and 1 TD to close out the game and secure a win.
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Griese got injured, that's why Simms went in, when he started playing well there was no reason to bench him.

Simms has all the tools, he just needs to put it all together, fact is his receivers simply aren't that great.
What? I mentioned Simms going in due to Griese's injury!

This is going off of "winning games" posts that preceded mine. If all that mattered was winning games, we wouldn't have gotten rid of our 5-1 QB for the one who went 6-5. But we did.

Simms has had all the tools since we drafted him, but he's NEVER put it all together. The one year that he was declared THE guy, he played terrible for 3 games where he could barely get the ball over the DL, and then went down. Now, he's ever admitted he doesn't have his timing back even though he's 100%. So why is everyone backing this kid? Because he's younger, thats about it.
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