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Old 06-09-2007, 03:49 PM    (permalink
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Which of the following draft busts had been screwed the most...

Patrick Ramsey-I believe he had 2 different coaches in Washington (Thats never healthy for a young QB) and wasnt used correctly by Spurrier IMO. Probably shouldnt have been drafted by WAS in the first place. Never had a good rushing attack, or great WR's (Coles, and thats about it). Oh! and not to mention he was clotheslined by Briggs.

David Carr-I think we all know the story. Didnt have a good O-line to start w/ and was killed by DE's early in his career. This definitly didnt help his confidence. Dom Capers isnt necesarily an excellent QB coach either.

Joey Harrington-The guy was drafted by Detroit, thats getting screwed from day 1. Mike Williams and Charles Rogers were both busts and Kevin Jones and Roy Williams had injury problems. Not the greatest OL either.

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Carr was never really given an oline or a team to work with but I wasn't sold on him coming out of college and I'm not really sold on him now. I really think his decision making is rather poor
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Its close but I went with Carr
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I don't know.....but Marriucci never tried to make it work with Harrington NEVER
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I don't know.....but Marriucci never tried to make it work with Harrington NEVER
really? Thats kinda a suprise to me. I figured he was a good coach. I mean he coached Favre and Garcia
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This is tough but I went Carr. No oline. period.
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David Carr is a great candidate, but I would go with Robert Gallery. HORRIBLE coaching and 3 different blocking schemes = 1 giant draft bust. Hopefully our new protection schemes will take advantage of his atheletic ability.
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Carr is the only one out of the three that could be a starter for the future.
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David Carr is a great candidate, but I would go with Robert Gallery. HORRIBLE coaching and 3 different blocking schemes = 1 giant draft bust. Hopefully our new protection schemes will take advantage of his atheletic ability.
Good suggestion, i was only thinking QB's. I was gonna put Ki-Jana, but in a way he screwed himself
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You should add Byron Leftwich to this.
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I guess that would make sense too
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Sort of, I don't think Leftwich has been screwed as much those guys tho. At least he has usually had a good team, well a good defense lol....
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I think it HAS to be Harrington.

Both teams were horrible.
Both OLines were bad (Houstons was worse).
Both supporting casts were weak (Detroits was worse).

But, Harrington has moved from Detroit to Miami and now to the Falcons... while Carr has moved from Houston to Carolina. Carr has a chance to take a season off, learn the offense and ease himself back into the starting job (and Carolina is a solid team). Harrington may be thrown into an offense that has seen its only success behind Vick, who has mobility... one of the many things Harrington lacks.

I give it to Harrington.
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Joey Harrington has the leadership skills of a turnip, I don't think he could have led the 2000 Ravens to the Superbowl.

I'll go David Carr by default, but I don't think any of them are anything to write home about.
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I said Carr, talented guy who got killed because he had no O-Line hence no time to get rid of a ball.

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Ramsey lol, he is trash, put him on the Colts, he still sucks.
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if he was on the list I would have voted Tim Couch, but of those three it is Carr.
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I guess I saw Harrington the same way in Detroit... although Carr was sacked a LOT more. Harrington just constantly threw the ball away.

I think Carr has a future, though.
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Harrington had many first round weapons, Ramsey did as well, Carr unfortunately had only Andre Johnson. Carr got anal-raped when he went to the Texans. If some team that actually had a line drafted him, he would probably have atleast 1 pro-bowl.
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Harrington had many first round weapons, Ramsey did as well, Carr unfortunately had only Andre Johnson. Carr got anal-raped when he went to the Texans. If some team that actually had a line drafted him, he would probably have atleast 1 pro-bowl.
Woah, woah, woah... sure, Harrington had Roy Williams, but Carr had Andre Johnson. Charles Rogers didn't do much (started 9 games in 3 years and had 4 TDs) and Mike Williams did less (started 6 games in 2 years and had 2 TDs). KJ had a great rookie season but has had a few injuries and played behind the same horrible OLine Harrington did.

To say that Harrington had "many first round weapons" is just not true.
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I voted Carr, but I gotta say I dont think harrington should be on here. In his time in Detroit, he had plenty of talent around him and sure a lot of those guys turned out to be busts but the fact that Harrington was leading the offense had a lot to do with them becoming busts. A lot of the guys Brady works with seem like nobodies but they have a great QB leading their offense and they play better because of it. Carr was drafted onto an expansion team with no talent and poor coaching and no team chemistry and he never had a chance.
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Carr because he's the only one of the three who still has a chance at being a productive NFL QB.
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Woah, woah, woah... sure, Harrington had Roy Williams, but Carr had Andre Johnson. Charles Rogers didn't do much (started 9 games in 3 years and had 4 TDs) and Mike Williams did less (started 6 games in 2 years and had 2 TDs). KJ had a great rookie season but has had a few injuries and played behind the same horrible OLine Harrington did.

To say that Harrington had "many first round weapons" is just not true.
It's true, just misleading. He did have "first round weapons", they just sucked.

I really don't think any of the 3 were put in position to do well, but I think Ramsey was the most screwed. Spurrier really messed him up.
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