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Old 06-15-2007, 02:37 PM    (permalink
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Damn. Only one Falcon? And Hall did not play that much man either...does he watch him play?
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Steven Jackson is way before Frank Gore and Andre Johnson is not b4 Torry Holt
While I agree Jackson is a great back and too low on the list, he is not clearly better than Frank Gore. When Jackson runs against 8 in the box for an entire season and averages 5.4 yards per carry....then I will put him head and shoulders above Gore, until then....I think they are very close.

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I don't like that list at all. Theres alot of young guys that have really only had 1 good season or so and I think they are ranked way to high. PLus it has the most overrated player in the league (Ray Lewis) on it and thats enough to ruin it.
wtf do you have against ray?
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At least one Packer should be on there, either Kampmann or Harris.
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on the other hand, one could say "this is a discussion when frank gore has done it for more than a single nfl season".
I agree with that thought when talking about placement in the top 50, but when comparing Gore and Jackson....Jackson has only played an an elite level for 1 year as well.
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i agree. vilma is a top 20 player in a 43. until he shows he can adjust this year i dont think he warrants the top 50.

however, kerry rhodes is a much better saftery than polamolu. if he didnt have that hair and have been on a superbowl team, people wouldnt overrate him so much.

also, the reason there isnt alot of steelers on the list is because none of them are that good. every player on the steelers is a solid servicable pro. thats how they won a superbowl and thats also why none are on the list. how many superstars are on the steelers though? none.
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2 1000-yard seasons, 2 seasons over 40 catches, both years >10 TDs... granted he's only been amazing for one year, but that's still two years of solid production. meh, not that i think jackson is hands down better (at this point, next season will tell a lot), but i can see why someone might argue that he is.
Yeah, it can be argued that Jackson is better, but it can also be argued that Gore is better. Thats pretty much my point hehe.
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I disagree with a lot of this list. There are players with 1 or 0 pro bowl seasons and Gonzalez isn't even really a top tight end anymore, he's just good now, just to name a few of my gripes.
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however, kerry rhodes is a much better saftery than polamolu. if he didnt have that hair and have been on a superbowl team, people wouldnt overrate him so much.
When Rhodes does it for more than a year then I'll put him ahead of Polamalu. Rhodes is good but he's not as good as Polamalu.
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Wheres Brian Dawkins? Kerry Rhodes had 1 good year and all of a sudden he's better than Dawkins? Sean Taylor shouldn't even be ahead of him.
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Wheres Brian Dawkins? Kerry Rhodes had 1 good year and all of a sudden he's better than Dawkins? Sean Taylor shouldn't even be ahead of him.
Woah, you're right. I just noticed Dawkins isn't on the list yet Sean Taylor is. I'd have Dawkins in the top fifteen.
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Where on god's green earth is Aaron Kampman?
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wtf do you have against ray?
He is a Steelers fan that is probably why.
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also no casey hampton

this list is wack
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No Browns? For some reason I'm not surprised...
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steelers fans think every player on their team should be in the top 50. parker, ward, hampton, troy. what about faneca and big ben guys? evidently every player on their team is the best at their position.
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steelers fans think every player on their team should be in the top 50. parker, ward, hampton, troy. what about faneca and big ben guys? evidently every player on their team is the best at their position.

ya your dumb

hampton,parker,and troy is one of the best at their position
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Yeah, although I disagree with a lot of this list as well, I think it's important to realize that 50 players averages out to about one and a half per team. Some teams will have 3, and some teams will have 0. No way should a guy like Willie Parker be considered among the top 50 players, imo. He isn't even among the very best at his position. Neither is Ward. Unless you think there are a dozen WR's among the top 50 players in the game.
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A distinct lack of Buccaneers on that list. I think Ronde Barber deserves his name being thrown out there, maybe even Derrick Brooks.
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Yeah, although I disagree with a lot of this list as well, I think it's important to realize that 50 players averages out to about one and a half per team. Some teams will have 3, and some teams will have 0. No way should a guy like Willie Parker be considered among the top 50 players, imo. He isn't even among the very best at his position. Neither is Ward. Unless you think there are a dozen WR's among the top 50 players in the game.

number 5 in the league and he aint one of the best at his position

also 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and he was an undrafted free agent
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number 5 in the league and he aint one of the best at his position

also 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and he was an undrafted free agent
Oh, I certainly agree that he is a very good RB. The fact that he rose up out of oblivion is also very impressive. I just don't believe he is a first-tier back. There are guys who are clearly better, and a whole slew of others who people will argue are better than Parker. Let me remind you of some of the Backs that currently grace NFL fields across the country-

Tomlinson
L. Johnson
S. Jackson
Westbrook
Gore
R. Johnson
Portis
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R. Brown
Caddy
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There's 20 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Not saying they are all better than Parker, I'm just saying that there are people who would argue for a lot of them. Sure Parker posted good production last year as the Steelers full time back, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't be just as capable in a similar situation. Do you think Adrian Peterson couldn't walk into Heinz field and claim the starting job almost immediately? I don't see how anybody other than a Steeler fan could sit there and claim Parker as one of the 5 best RB's in the game today. Do the steelers have a top 5 Running game? Probably. That's their bread and butter. But Parker is one cog in a big-ass well-established wheel. Easily replaceable.
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Oh, I certainly agree that he is a very good RB. The fact that he rose up out of oblivion is also very impressive. I just don't believe he is a first-tier back. There are guys who are clearly better, and a whole slew of others who people will argue are better than Parker. Let me remind you of some of the Backs that currently grace NFL fields across the country-

Tomlinson
L. Johnson
S. Jackson
Westbrook
Gore
R. Johnson
Portis
Alexander
R. Brown
Caddy
McAllister
Dunn
McGahee
Maroney
Jones-Drew
F.Taylor
T. Jones
James
Bush
Addai


There's 20 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Not saying they are all better than Parker, I'm just saying that there are people who would argue for a lot of them. Sure Parker posted good production last year as the Steelers full time back, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't be just as capable in a similar situation. Do you think Adrian Peterson couldn't walk into Heinz field and claim the starting job almost immediately? I don't see how anybody other than a Steeler fan could sit there and claim Parker as one of the 5 best RB's in the game today. Do the steelers have a top 5 Running game? Probably. That's their bread and butter. But Parker is one cog in a big-ass well-established wheel. Easily replaceable.


now i dont wanna sound like a homer but i would only take
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gore
jackson
portis
and debatable rudi over willie. see willie is somethin that pitt fans have not expierenced yet. people complain about him cuz hes not the type of back that the steelers need. actually he is. u may be able to replace him but not the speed. i expect willie, with the new offence, to post better numbers this season, but all in all this is jsut my opinion
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