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Old 06-15-2007, 09:00 PM    (permalink
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number 5 in the league and he aint one of the best at his position

also 2 straight 1000 yard seasons and he was an undrafted free agent
1000yds seasons are not as impressive as they used to be, and him being undrafted is pretty much irrelevant in the context of this list. Even though last season he was just beastly, 1500yds and 10+ td's, the person making the list probably had other variables that they looked for. What it could be I don't know. But you and Willi will live. It's one list, no big deal.
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and debatable rudi over willie. see willie is somethin that pitt fans have not expierenced yet. people complain about him cuz hes not the type of back that the steelers need. actually he is. u may be able to replace him but not the speed. i expect willie, with the new offence, to post better numbers this season, but all in all this is jsut my opinion
Yeah I hear you. You love your team, and you couldn't imagine giving up Parker for somebody else. When rating him, you naturally place him at the top of the list of guys that it's debatable whether they're better or not. Trust me, his speed is replaceable. There are a ton of very quick backs in this league right now. Running Back is probably the deepest position in the league. There is a surplus for sure. I think a guy like DeAngelo Williams or Jerious Norwood would be absolutely studly as the Steelers full time back. I think a lot of guys would. I don't mean to minimize Parkers accomplishments, but I just don't see him as a top 5 back at this point. Not based on his own merits alone. I think most GM's would take a guy like Laurence Maroney well before they took Parker.
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Yeah I hear you. You love your team, and you couldn't imagine giving up Parker for somebody else. When rating him, you naturally place him at the top of the list of guys that it's debatable whether they're better or not. Trust me, his speed is replaceable. There are a ton of very quick backs in this league right now. Running Back is probably the deepest position in the league. There is a surplus for sure. I think a guy like DeAngelo Williams or Jerious Norwood would be absolutely studly as the Steelers full time back. I think a lot of guys would. I don't mean to minimize Parkers accomplishments, but I just don't see him as a top 5 back at this point. Not based on his own merits alone. I think most GM's would take a guy like Laurence Maroney well before they took Parker.

while i do agree with that but parker is also gettin better. he hasnt touched the roof of his potential yet. i believe if he keeps workin on it then he can become the best in the league.

while norwood and williams might be beastly, parker is bigger than both of them and i know willie can pound it inside unlike williams and norwood. i would like to have those two but id take willie over them two.
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At least they got #1 right. What happened to all the ridiculous Drew Brees love? And why are Chad Johnson and Sean Taylor so ridiculously overrated?
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Anybody want to explain how DeAngelo Hall is a better corner than Rashean Mathis? How did Nnamdi Asomugha who has had only one good year make the list but Chris McAllister didn't?
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you call me dumb and then say parker is an elite back? parker is a no one. i would take at least 10 RB before parker. and hampton is one of the top 34 NT. however, he is not the run away number one. he is among the top 5. but i dont think many of them should be considered among the top 50 players in the league. when you figure in the tampa 2 DT's, i dont think there needs to be 10 DT in the top 50 in the league. and troy is not that good. rhodes is better. he was good as a rookie and incredible as a sophmore. troy has always been overrated because your scheme allows him to freelance alot more. if all safetys were allowed to do that troy wouldnt even be special none the less the elite you claim him to be. and ward is not a top 10 reciever. many teams have better #2 recievers than ward.
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i think brian dawkins has to the biggets ommision, the guy is argueably a top 3 safety in the game and hes been ocmpletely barred, i think prisco has gone a little youthy on this list...yes youthy is a word
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im gonna try to go against the hoemristic trend and say that dwight freeeney is slightly high. dont get me wrong, awesome player and the most influential player on our D (when he isnt playing injured hes slightly above bob imo)but 12 is pretty lofty. id have to say ed reed is better at what he does then freeney
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one more thing; do you think this list would change substantially if the importance of the position in dictating the ranking was thrown out the window? like you could say vinitieri is better at his job then some of those players are at their own respective position
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Where the **** is Olin Kruetz? Hutchinson is on that list and Kruetz isn't? Hutch sucked this year. ********.

And yes I know they don't play the same position but the best C in all of football isn't on that top 50 list? Come on.
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I think it would change slightly. It would still be a meaningless list though. I think a lot of people here could do better. But yeah, I think anytime you make a list like this with such a broad scope, you need to include some defined criteria in the header. If I were to go through the effort to do one, it would be based purely on my own perception of who I think are currently the best players. So stats wouldn't play a huge role. So I probably wouldn't have too many real young guys, or too many real old guys. Just the current cream of the crop. But I don't personally know enough about every guy in the league to make a real accurate list. I think that's why so many people end up leaning on stats and reputation. They simply haven't seen everybody play enough to accurately gauge where they all rank among each other.
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you call me dumb and then say parker is an elite back? parker is a no one. i would take at least 10 RB before parker. and hampton is one of the top 34 NT. however, he is not the run away number one. he is among the top 5. but i dont think many of them should be considered among the top 50 players in the league. when you figure in the tampa 2 DT's, i dont think there needs to be 10 DT in the top 50 in the league. and troy is not that good. rhodes is better. he was good as a rookie and incredible as a sophmore. troy has always been overrated because your scheme allows him to freelance alot more. if all safetys were allowed to do that troy wouldnt even be special none the less the elite you claim him to be. and ward is not a top 10 reciever. many teams have better #2 recievers than ward.
who has a no. 2 better then ward?....
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colts do (wayne), cards do (boldin), bengals do (housh),

and they are old but an arguement could be made for

cowboys (glenn) and rams (bruce).

and by next year argueably jets (cotchery) and lions (CJ) could very easily be ahead of ward.

like i said, hines is a solid WR. but by no means is he even a candidate for top 50.
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The fact that he is simply not as good as he tries to make himself out to be. He used to be a great player but he isn't the same guy anymore and everyone still acts like the's the best MLB in the game.

Just watch him play. I think your a Raven's fan so I'm sure you do. I'm sure you've seen his favorite tactic of just hopping on the pile after the play is over. Then he gets us chest pounding like he made some great play.

I'm just sick of him really. From all of his interviews about how good to his to his SI cover saying "God's linebacker". He is the most overrated player in the game.
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colts do (wayne), cards do (boldin), bengals do (housh),

and they are old but an arguement could be made for

cowboys (glenn) and rams (bruce).

and by next year argueably jets (cotchery) and lions (CJ) could very easily be ahead of ward.

like i said, hines is a solid WR. but by no means is he even a candidate for top 50.
wayne yes
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but the rest of the guys no...and to bring up calvin johnson who hasnt even stepped on the field yet is ignorant...and despite what u or cbs sportsline says...ive seen multiple interviews over the past couple years where NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES say that hines ward is THE BEST alll around reciever in the game....now ill agree wayne and boldin are probley better pass catchers but as far as a football player and doing everything that has to be done...catching and blocking...hines ward is definatly one of the tops in the league
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The fact that he is simply not as good as he tries to make himself out to be. He used to be a great player but he isn't the same guy anymore and everyone still acts like the's the best MLB in the game.

Just watch him play. I think your a Raven's fan so I'm sure you do. I'm sure you've seen his favorite tactic of just hopping on the pile after the play is over. Then he gets us chest pounding like he made some great play.

I'm just sick of him really. From all of his interviews about how good to his to his SI cover saying "God's linebacker". He is the most overrated player in the game.
99.5% of the people on this board admit Urlacher is better

I am preety sure they call him Gods LB because he is religious person and not making it out like he is a LB god.
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Marvin Harrison and Steve Smith are both better than Andre Johnson. Torry Holt is too. Nothing against Andre, but those are both better players.
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i agree with that but imo if andre had consistant qb play hed be the best in the league
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I am preety sure they call him Gods LB because he is religious person and not making it out like he is a LB god.
I guess he must've forgotten the 10 commandments that one night in Atlanta...
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wayne yes
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but the rest of the guys no...and to bring up calvin johnson who hasnt even stepped on the field yet is ignorant...and despite what u or cbs sportsline says...ive seen multiple interviews over the past couple years where NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES say that hines ward is THE BEST alll around reciever in the game....now ill agree wayne and boldin are probley better pass catchers but as far as a football player and doing everything that has to be done...catching and blocking...hines ward is definatly one of the tops in the league
Lions had a beast duo before Calvin

Furrey: 98 catches 1086 yards 6 TDs

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Disappointing to not see any Packers on there. I would definitely have included Aaron Kampman. Kampman had 10 more sacks last year then Dwight Freeney, who is 12 on that list, so I'm surprised he isn't anywhere in the top 50.
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