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Old 04-18-2012, 10:48 PM    (permalink
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im guessing this is only Australia... definitely not like this in the US. Avg starting for EEs here is in the 60k's.

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I know very good MEs from a top 20 school who started out quite a bit lower than 60k.
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that really sucks for them, hope they move up quick. i got a BSEE last year and was only able to find a good job because i had a connection at a company, same with 95% of my friends. i know a lot of people that have yet to find jobs with their eng degree.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:43 PM    (permalink
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The average salary in Australia does not encompass the entire world. We're talking USA here.
This isn't some barrier locked world where people can't go elsewhere to work and 150k is the graduate salary, not the average salary for an engineer.

There is a massive engineer shortage in Australia and you start on 6 figure wages. Nothing stopping people from doing that, which is a perfectly good reason why all engineers should expect it. You don't even have to be competent most of the time!

Just because someone chooses to earn less to do something doesn't mean that the average shouldn't expect the norm from an occupation and doesn't make it unreasonable that they expect it.

That would be like saying that doctors who expect to earn 6 figures shouldn't expect it because some doctors choose to do doctors without borders and get paid next to nothing. Fact is if you do a degree with the level of difficulty and time that engineering or medicine takes then you are perfectly within your rights to expect the standard levels of compensation at the end.

I know if I'd spend 6+ years becoming a doctor I'd want the 150k+ that they make and I know if I spent another 5 years becoming a specialist I'd be wanting the 700k+ that they make. If I'd done engineering I'd expect to be on 250k+ and only working half a year, they are the "incentives" that make doing a stupid hard degree worthwhile. Why would anyone do a 5 year engineering degree that is stupid hard to earn 60k a year if you can do a 3 year commerce degree that is stupid easy and be on that in your first job? That doesn't make you normal it just means you are not even remotely financially motivated and/or really, really love what ever you are doing, in which case, credit to you but don't complain that you aren't paid enough.

Realistically if you did engineering because you want to do do engineering and get paid, not going to Australia right now would be stupid for nearly every engineering discipline.
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That's all well and good, but I don't know what amount of money it would take for me to move that far away, you're making it seem like just up and moving across the world is no big deal. The fact is my original point is that it isn't realistic for a US engineering major to expect that much money out of college, I don't know why you expected me to take Australia into account because that isn't even on most of their radars.

You underestimate how far 60k can get you in parts of the US, not your fault necessarily but you do. That's really not a bad starting salary here.

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That's all well and good, but I don't know what amount of money it would take for me to move that far away, you're making it seem like just up and moving across the world is no big deal. The fact is my original point is that it isn't realistic for a US engineering major to expect that much money out of college, I don't know why you expected me to take Australia into account because that isn't even on most of their radars.

You underestimate how far 60k can get you in parts of the US, not your fault necessarily but you do. That's really not a bad starting salary here.
That's fair but it also isn't unrealistic for an engineering student to expect a lot more than that, fact is if they are willing to move away from the US they should expect a 6 figure income which makes the fact that engineering students expect that perfectly reasonable to me!

I know that I'd be willing to move for the kind of money that is on offer. I have a mate who at 26 last year earned 500k working 30 weeks a year as an engineer and he had the worst grades of any of my engineer mates.

450k is an awful lot of money to leave on the table :)
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There's probably like 12 engineers in all of Australia. ;) The U.S. is inundated with domestic and foreign engineers.




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Originally Posted by njx9 View Post
i would break up with/de-wife a girl the instant that happened.
It's ok because she explained it as "Here's something funny, in my dream you <insert something terrible>. So when I woke up I was angry for a second before my brain remembered that you actually didn't do anything." If she was actually mad then yeah that would be a pretty big problem.
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