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Old 07-18-2007, 08:56 AM    (permalink
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A undersized TE is the least of our worries. Mouton and/or Crable can take care of him.
Strength of a TE but the speed of a receiver....I think he'll present problems
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Strength of a TE but the speed of a receiver....I think he'll present problems
Jonas Mouton. Size of a linebacker, speed of a safety. Guess we'll see.
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Jonas Mouton. Size of a linebacker, speed of a safety. Guess we'll see.
Travis Beckum has the athleticism of a receiver at the tight end postition.. he's plenty big
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Travis Beckum has the athleticism of a receiver at the tight end postition.. he's plenty big
He's not plenty big for a TE. Sorry, but 6'4 220 is not plenty big for a TE. That's actually plenty small. He's a good receiver but he's not big.
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He's not plenty big for a TE. Sorry, but 6'4 220 is not plenty big for a TE. That's actually plenty small. He's a good receiver but he's not big.
well considering Jonas Mouton is 230 lbs and a freshman.. I'm not really scared
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well considering Jonas Mouton is 230 lbs and a freshman.. I'm not really scared
What's wrong with freshmen? Your boy PJ Hill was a freshman last year look what he did. Considering Mouton is bigger and faster than Beckum I'll take my chances.
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What's wrong with freshmen? Your boy PJ Hill was a freshman last year look what he did. Considering Mouton is bigger and faster than Beckum I'll take my chances.
bigger- yes by 10 pounds
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Ok whatever you want to think. Beckum and Hill didn't do jack against us last year, and I expect the same this year.
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Ok whatever you want to think. Beckum and Hill didn't do jack against us last year, and I expect the same this year.
I respect your confidence in your team because I'm the same way.. I guess we'll just have to wait until the game
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What's wrong with freshmen? Your boy PJ Hill was a freshman last year look what he did. Considering Mouton is bigger and faster than Beckum I'll take my chances.
Hill was a redshirt so physically he was a sophomore. and 6' 4" plenty big for a TE but i do agree that he needs to add about thirty pounds which will be plenty hard to do.
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Hill was a redshirt so physically he was a sophomore. and 6' 4" plenty big for a TE but i do agree that he needs to add about thirty pounds which will be plenty hard to do.
Jonas Mouton is also a redshirt frosh. I agree with your Beckum assessment. I meant to say that 6'4 is tall enough, I meant his weight was much lower than it should be.
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Jonas Mouton is also a redshirt frosh. I agree with your Beckum assessment. I meant to say that 6'4 is tall enough, I meant his weight was much lower than it should be.
that I do agree with I think he can add weight over the next few years but what he lacks in power, he makes up for in athleticism
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Wildcats all the way! Kidding, I'm not that a big of a homer. I'll be shocked if we can pull out a 6-7 place finish this season. I will predict a big bounceback year for Tyrell Sutton though.
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Wildcats all the way! Kidding, I'm not that a big of a homer. I'll be shocked if we can pull out a 6-7 place finish this season. I will predict a big bounceback year for Tyrell Sutton though.
He still cracked 1,000 yards with no help last year. Not too bad.
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It doesn't really matter who's bigger or faster. It matters mostly about technique, especially for defenders in one on one matchups, and I think Beckum certainly edges any true freshman linebacker in pass coverage.

If it did matter, then I don't think that Mario Manningham would've owned Jamario O'Neal like he did in high school and during the 06 game at CBus...because they are probably about the same speed (4.38 or so) and O'Neal has about 20 lbs. on him but crappy technique.
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It doesn't really matter who's bigger or faster. It matters mostly about technique, especially for defenders in one on one matchups, and I think Beckum certainly edges any true freshman linebacker in pass coverage.

If it did matter, then I don't think that Mario Manningham would've owned Jamario O'Neal like he did in high school and during the 06 game at CBus...because they are probably about the same speed (4.38 or so) and O'Neal has about 20 lbs. on him but crappy technique.
Jamario's problems are not just technique related. He really doesn't have the lateral quickness or the "hips" to be a good cover safety. I honestly think he won't see any significant PT for the rest of his OSU career.

As for the Michigan fans, I agree that the QBs are not great in the league this year and that should favor you. I would however argue that the defenses of Wisconsin, Penn St. and OSU will be good enough to at least keep the Michigan offense somewhat in check. Which will put pressure on the Michigan D. Keep in mind too that Wisconsin will now have an athletic QB who can run, which is pretty much kryptonite to the Wolverines D. That along with the electric atmosphere in Madison is why I picked UW over UM.

As you said, OSU and PSU's passing games shouldn't scare you too much and I'm sure UM will be favored in both of those games, maybe by as much as a TD. However, Morelli's a Sr. and may be improved. And Boeckman has been at OSU for 5 years and will have 11 games worth of starting experience before he shows up to Ann Arbor. The WRs at OSU, especially Robiskie and Hartline have more big game experience than you may realize. My point I guess is that the OSU passing offense might not look scary now, but it could by November.

The one advantage that OSU has killed UM with lately has been depth at WR vs. a shallow group of UM CBs. UM still doesn't impress me at DB, but OSU lost 2 first round WRs (Gonzo and Ginn) and a 5th rounder (Hall) and I am really only confident in the top 3 guys going into this year. So unless somebody really steps up, OSU will have lost this advantage because the 4-6 spots don't have nearly the talent that they have had in years past.
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Just one more addition, I wouldn't be surprised to see UM, UW and OSU undefeated going into the last 4 weeks. My prediction is OSU beats UW, UW beat UM and UM beats OSU. Each of those teams could be looking at 1 loss against each other. If it goes down like that, the key will be how each of the top 3 does against PSU, Purdue, etc.
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Travis Beckum has the athleticism of a receiver at the tight end postition.. he's plenty big
He's impressive. I was disappointed when he didn't come to OSU and he has become a really, really good player. I'd personally take him over any TE in the country this season.

What are your thoughts on Wiscy this year? I think I read that Phil Steele predicted 4 losses for them. The one concern I would have if I was a fan of them would be how they play being the "favorite" and dealing with all of the accolades and people telling them they are great. Sometimes when teams aren't used to being preseason top 5 preseason, they don't handle it well.

If they deal with all that okay, I think they should have a really nice year. They've got most of the pieces in place.
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Running QBs do seem to kill us. When they are VY and Troy Smith. Stanton didn't do much last year against us. English has implemented a defense that wants to control the game with their speed and agressivness. I think he has the players to do it and will have a defense that is as good as last years. Hopefully this year he won't change things up for the last 2 games and play into the offenses hands. There are rarely easy games when on the road in the Big Ten. I think Michigan will win the conference but not a cake walk. I just have confidence and love what I see when I look at what is going to be on the field. Especially on offense.
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He's impressive. I was disappointed when he didn't come to OSU and he has become a really, really good player. I'd personally take him over any TE in the country this season.

What are your thoughts on Wiscy this year? I think I read that Phil Steele predicted 4 losses for them. The one concern I would have if I was a fan of them would be how they play being the "favorite" and dealing with all of the accolades and people telling them they are great. Sometimes when teams aren't used to being preseason top 5 preseason, they don't handle it well.

If they deal with all that okay, I think they should have a really nice year. They've got most of the pieces in place.

4 losses? doubt it. The lost starters on offense are Joe Thomas and John Stocco. Obviously a player of Thomas' caliber is hard to lose, but UW produces great o-linemen. PJ Hill is coming off a superb season and has had time to heal as well as gain experience. The receiving core is average but Beckum is the major threat passing wise, he is extremely talented.

The defense is coming off a good season and I expect big things. They are more experienced as a whole. The D-Line is anchored by Nick Hayden and Matt Shaunessy(sp?) in my opinion. We lost Zalewski in the linebacker lineup but Abdul Hodge's brother Elijah should be able to step in. Jonathan Casillas is the leader of the linebackers and I've liked him all along. He has exceptional speed and I expect a good season out of him. The defensive backs are solid and lead by a great corner in Jack Ikegowonu, who is only a junior. The rest of the db's should be solid. The special team unit boasts a powerful and accurate kicker in Taylor Melhaff and a good Punter in Ken DeBauche.

I expect a great season.
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Running QBs do seem to kill us. When they are VY and Troy Smith. Stanton didn't do much last year against us. English has implemented a defense that wants to control the game with their speed and agressivness. I think he has the players to do it and will have a defense that is as good as last years. Hopefully this year he won't change things up for the last 2 games and play into the offenses hands. There are rarely easy games when on the road in the Big Ten. I think Michigan will win the conference but not a cake walk. I just have confidence and love what I see when I look at what is going to be on the field. Especially on offense.
Do you think that, maybe, just maybe, we could see Shotgun sets with 4 wide? Or is that asking too much of Lloyd? I'm salivating at the thought of Mario, AA, Clemons and Matthews in a 4 wide set. Dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty. :)
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Do you think that, maybe, just maybe, we could see Shotgun sets with 4 wide? Or is that asking too much of Lloyd? I'm salivating at the thought of Mario, AA, Clemons and Matthews in a 4 wide set. Dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty. :)
that would work better if Henne was mobile but i can see why you want to use the formation that J Tress owned you with.
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Ok whatever you want to think. Beckum and Hill didn't do jack against us last year, and I expect the same this year.
Your defense was also very good last year. I don't think they be halfd the unit they were last year.
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Do you think that, maybe, just maybe, we could see Shotgun sets with 4 wide? Or is that asking too much of Lloyd? I'm salivating at the thought of Mario, AA, Clemons and Matthews in a 4 wide set. Dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty. :)

I have heard that it is a possibility, but as always with Michigan, if Henne throws a pick Hart is gonna get the ball the next 3 series. They have zero confidence in Henne and it is a joke. The kid is good and never gets a chance to shine. Last year in Columbus I thought he looked great and that is what I expect this year. But, YES I do see the shotgun being utilized alittle more this year because TE and FB are WWWEEEAAAKKK this year for us. 4 wide should be seen alot more than before. Maybe even dual RBs too.

Also, the word was Spring and Winter was used mainly for Henne to get more comfortable in the pocket. DeBORED says he is alot better this year in the pocket. We will see what happens when Mitchell gets abused again and if Henne can withstand the pressure. I have loved eveything I have heard especially about Adrian Arrington so far. If teams focus too much on Super Mario, AA is gonna get 150 yards per game. The kid has finally got the message.
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that would work better if Henne was mobile but i can see why you want to use the formation that J Tress owned you with.
Henne was mobile enough to help put 39 points against you guys last year. Mobility is the least of my concerns after the spring ball reports and considering no one is getting by the left side of our line.
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