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What do you think really happened on Dealey Plaza exactly 50 years ago? How many gunmen? Was there a coverup or do you believe that Oswald acted alone?
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I like applying Occam's razor to things like this. I find it impossible that a conspiracy of any kind could have been kept quiet for this length of time. Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. So much of what some people believe as suspicious facts are just from Oliver Stone.
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There seems to be conspiracy theories for everything. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in his insanity.
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I don't think it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Lee Harvey Oswald.

As a youngster I went through a phase where I researched all of the conspiracy theories and thought there might actually be more to the story. However, with age I've come to realize there is just no way a huge secret like that could be kept for five decades and counting.
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Oswald but he didn't act alone per say. He had others that were conspirators.
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Oswald but he didn't act alone per say. He had others that were conspirators.
That is what I should have said. I could see Oswald involved, but I don't think he concocted the entire thing by himself.
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That is what I should have said. I could see Oswald involved, but I don't think he concocted the entire thing by himself.
Concocted the entire thing? Its not like it was a convoluted Ocean's 11 heist. It involved a dude with a rifle going to whatever a book depository is and firing a few reasonable shots for a decent marksman.
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Yeah, all of the conspiracy theories and such are overblown. The guy was fairly smart (not overly) and had some severe mental and emotional issues. How many intricately planned out killings have we seen from individuals around his age (24) and younger in the Information Age?

It's not ridiculous that LHO bought a gun for $12 through the mail (pretty easy back then), found the route for the parade, and planned & executed the assassination all on his own. Like josh said, it wasn't a hard shot for someone who'd been in the military. The book depository is a lot (A LOT) closer to the spot JFK was hit than people realize.

And LHO 100% was messed up enough mentally and emotionally to have followed through with it all on his own. If the dude that shot up the theater in Colorado could do that on his own, the JFK assassination was child's play.
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Concocted the entire thing? Its not like it was a convoluted Ocean's 11 heist. It involved a dude with a rifle going to whatever a book depository is and firing a few reasonable shots for a decent marksman.
The shots weren't necessariliy reasonable. That's the thing. The presidential limousine was moving away from the gunman’s location, the car was obscured for some of the time by an oak tree, all the shots had to have been fired within a very short space of time, and most importantly, the only rifle that could have been used was awkward and unpredictable. For The Warren Commission's benefit there were expert marksman from the FBI and US Army that attempted the same shooting scenario within the given time frame. They failed to achieve the combination of accuracy and speed demanded of the lone gunman: two hits out of three, within about six seconds. And this was already after fixing some of the gun’s mechanical problems, and firing at stationary targets from an easier vantage point.

In regards to just to the shooting, it would be have been difficult for Oswald to pull it off. And I don't think Oswald was the greatest marksman reported during his time in the military. It's not unreasonable that there might have been another shooter. Especially when you look at the Zapruder film and one of the shots looks like it comes from the front. Of course the Zapruder film is inconclusive and has been dissected from all over.

I mean we'll never know definitely, but I don't think Oswald acted alone.
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Having been to Dealy Plaza and had military markmanship training, I can tell you with no uncertainty it was not as difficult of a shot as it is made out to be. Dealy Plaza is much smaller than it seems from the Zapruder film. Also, the "grassy knoll" area would be too obvious for a rifle shot; people would have seen a rifle having been aimed.
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The shots weren't necessariliy reasonable. That's the thing. The presidential limousine was moving away from the gunmanís location, the car was obscured for some of the time by an oak tree, all the shots had to have been fired within a very short space of time, and most importantly, the only rifle that could have been used was awkward and unpredictable. For The Warren Commission's benefit there were expert marksman from the FBI and US Army that attempted the same shooting scenario within the given time frame. They failed to achieve the combination of accuracy and speed demanded of the lone gunman: two hits out of three, within about six seconds. And this was already after fixing some of the gunís mechanical problems, and firing at stationary targets from an easier vantage point.

In regards to just to the shooting, it would be have been difficult for Oswald to pull it off. And I don't think Oswald was the greatest marksman reported during his time in the military. It's not unreasonable that there might have been another shooter. Especially when you look at the Zapruder film and one of the shots looks like it comes from the front. Of course the Zapruder film is inconclusive and has been dissected from all over.

I mean we'll never know definitely, but I don't think Oswald acted alone.
You are welcome to believe anything and everything you like. I've learned that, with some people, no matter how much of an argument or how many facts you offer, some people will believe what they want, no matter what. It is a concept called cognitive dissonance. I'm not saying this as an insult, you just feel one way and no matter what I say or anyone says you probably wont change your mind even if you agree with the evidence.

There are plenty of people that believe the moon landing was a hoax even when there are tons of scientists offering all sorts of factual evidence to the contrary. I remember hearing Neil Degrasse Tyson rattle off all these details and facts that debunked conspiracies. He even said that faking the moon landing to the level of accuracy that would have been necessary to create the footage we have today would have been scientifically harder than actually getting to the moon. Even with a point by point debunking, people still believe what they want.
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Room 237 explains how the moon landing is fake because Stanley Kubrick admits it in The Shining. PAY ATTENTION, JOSH. As for the question, LEE HARVEY OSWALT DIDN'T KILL JFK, JFK KILLED JFK.

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Room 237 explains how the moon landing is fake because Stanley Kubrick admits it in The Shining. PAY ATTENTION, JOSH. As for the question, LEE HARVEY OSWALT DIDN'T KILL JFK, JFK KILLED JFK.

I stand corrected. I always believe nutjobs in kubrick documentaries. And good gif action.
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