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Old 07-11-2007, 03:00 PM    (permalink
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This is apparently the punishment for the Rhett Bomar scandal.

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OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must vacate its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.


The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.


The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the vacated wins, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.


Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.


Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.


Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.


"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.


On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.


The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.


During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case.


Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.


Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.


Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.


The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.
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Mr. Bush and USC should be next.
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Mr. Bush and USC should be next.
Don't you really think they will get USC for the Bush things?
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No Bush and USC are safe.
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But they shouldn't be. USC got away with that one unjustly.
Not that it really matters much, who really cares if your team's wins from a mediocre season are erased? It's not like OU won anything that year. USC however won 1.5 national championships with Bush.
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Retroactively forfeiting games is stupid. Everyone knows who won those games. Teams that lost to Oklahoma that year can't now start bragging how they "beat" them.
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Basically, Oklahoma got squat done to them.
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Mr. Bush and USC should be next.

USC wasn't involved in the Bush case though.
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they should get the USC and Auburn teams back together to really determine the NC (like it should have been in the first place)
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wait im confused...oklahoma had their season erased because of Rhett Bomar? i thought OU didnt know and when they found out Bob Stoops submitted him to NCAA for violations and kicked him off the team? did i hear that wrong or did OU try to sweep it under the rug and got caught?
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USC wasn't involved in the Bush case though.
He was on the phone with McKnight. That was definitely a freudian slip he had while he committed .
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I'm kinda confused. I'm not really 100% sure about either cases, but did something happen so OSU with their problems, and what's the difference between what OSU did and what OU did?
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He was on the phone with McKnight. That was definitely a freudian slip he had while he committed .

Thought you meant the house case. The punishment for that case won't hurt SC either in the end.
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Thought you meant the house case. The punishment for that case won't hurt SC either in the end.
Well, it's possible Carroll knew about it.
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Well, it's possible Carroll knew about it.
i really doubt pete carrol knew about Bush's house situation
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wait im confused...oklahoma had their season erased because of Rhett Bomar? i thought OU didnt know and when they found out Bob Stoops submitted him to NCAA for violations and kicked him off the team? did i hear that wrong or did OU try to sweep it under the rug and got caught?
You are absolutely right in what happened. They are being punished for not monitering close enough.
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What happens with USC in terms of Bush-house and Jarrett-apartment?
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well, its not as if that was a year they won the big 12, or a NC...then it be a huge story as they would have to hand back those awards, the probation probably hurts, but its only a few scholarships a year...


either way has to suck, i for one know id be pissed if we had to forfeit our games for ramonce taylor acting an ass....


but with USC, its a little more serious...they won alot more accolades, wonder how that will pan out
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.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.
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.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.
I'm thinking the fact that he booted them when he found out about it may have something do with it.
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Two words: Big deal. Think Bob Stoops is going to cry over those lost wins? If he does he has a crap load of money to wipe away those tears
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yeah, but i hate to see teams punished for stupid players. i think it was enough OU lost their starting QB before the start of the season. its not like he (stoops) tried to pull a fast one and hide it...
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.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.
k, question for all you guys. I have heard about the SMU death penalty quite a bit, but I have never been able to find how it happened and what happened, anyone care to shed some light on it??
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