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Old 07-18-2007, 10:59 AM    (permalink
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well...i see the bengals as having an improved season. but what im saying is the jets were better in first place and improved. i dont think the bengals made up the ground and passed the jets.
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well...i see the bengals as having an improved season. but what im saying is the jets were better in first place and improved. i dont think the bengals made up the ground and passed the jets.
The Jets had a WAY easier schedule last year than the Bengals, so their record doesn't indicate that they're better. The Bengals were less an all-pro LT 14 games, our anchor C 14 games... At one point we had 3 players on our line with 10 games combined career experience (one of which was starting his first game ever at OL... At any level). We lost Odell, meaning Caleb Miller or Brian Simmons had to fill his role which killed.

This year we have Ahmad Brooks at middle which is a massive improvement, Odell I think will eventually end up as our WLB making our LB core 10X what it was last year. Then one more year for Robert Geathers/Domata Peko to improve, along with no Tory James and our D should improve. Our offense will prove due to the Oline and Carson being on two good legs, his accuracy suffered last year due to the leg injury. Plus we have an easier schedule than last year... We played New England, San Diego, Indy, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans, Kansas City (@ Arrowhead). This year it's just the NFC West, AFC East and the Titans/Chiefs which IMO are teams that will regress this year.
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The Jets had a WAY easier schedule last year than the Bengals, so their record doesn't indicate that they're better. The Bengals were less an all-pro LT 14 games, our anchor C 14 games... At one point we had 3 players on our line with 10 games combined career experience (one of which was starting his first game ever at OL... At any level). We lost Odell, meaning Caleb Miller or Brian Simmons had to fill his role which killed.

This year we have Ahmad Brooks at middle which is a massive improvement, Odell I think will eventually end up as our WLB making our LB core 10X what it was last year. Then one more year for Robert Geathers/Domata Peko to improve, along with no Tory James and our D should improve. Our offense will prove due to the Oline and Carson being on two good legs, his accuracy suffered last year due to the leg injury. Plus we have an easier schedule than last year... We played New England, San Diego, Indy, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans, Kansas City (@ Arrowhead). This year it's just the NFC West, AFC East and the Titans/Chiefs which IMO are teams that will regress this year.


so your sayin the steelers arent good =(
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i don't like that he has cleveland last as i see them maybe winning 6-7 games this season.
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wow, those rankings are terrible. Cleveland last?
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so your sayin the steelers arent good =(
Well, not so much last year. You all, much like us, had your fair share of bad luck last year.
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Yet another year? The Titans have only picked in the top 5 once in recent years. In fact before VY, the last time was when they picked McNair.

And they also had one of the league's toughest schedules last season, and picked 19th.
Here's why:

1. Vince Young. He's gonna get hurt. It will happen. Brace yourself for it.
2. LenDale White (whom I loved coming out of USC) is eating his way out of the league.
3. You have no wideouts
4. Your best corner/returner may never play again.

Good enough for starters.
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Well, not so much last year. You all, much like us, had your fair share of bad luck last year.
ya and this year i believe we will be back on top,well hopefully...ben is back at 240 now so that will be good for us
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The first thing I'm going to mention here is the debate over the Minnesota defense last season, particularly the run defense. It seems that everyone is forgetting that the Vikings had the worst pass defense in the league. I am of the belief that the Viking run defense was definitely top 10 in the league, but that coupled with the fact that the pass defense was weak, one must assume that other teams realized it would be smarter to attack the clearly weaker unit of the Viking's defense. The tendency of other teams to do this makes the defensive passing stats look worse than they actually were, while making the run defense stats look better than they actually were. Here is some evidence to help illustrate what I am saying.

The Vikings were run against 348 times (least in the league), the next closest team was the Ravens at 367 times, past that was the Pats at 388. Twenty-three teams had the ball run against them over 440 times. On the flip side, the Vikings were passed agains 599 times (most in the league), followed by the Bears at 581 and the Giants with 567. Twenty-eight teams were passed on 540 times or fewer. One more point, the Raiders gave up the least pass yards per game by 9 fewer than the Colts, and 28 fewer than the next team, the Saints. Now ask yourself, was that because the Raiders pass defense was just flat out amazing, or a statistical anomally.

Now, for the actual rankings. My quick assessment on who is too high and too low.

Too High:
Saints.... I like the story, but we must remember they were just 10-6 last year.
Broncos..... Defense is admittedly scary, especially pass D, but that's asking a lot of a 2nd year QB
Jets..... Jets did get better in the offseason, but they had a wicked easy schedule last year. So with a harder schedule and some improvements, I think they should be happy with 10-6 again, more likely the 7-9 to 9-7 range.
Steelers..... This is more of a gut feeling, I look at their roster and just don't see much that looks scary. I would be a little worried if I were a Steelers fan.
Lions...... I can sum this up in three letters, WTF???
Titans..... I loved watching Young's antics last season, but statistically he wasn't that good. On top of that they have virtually nothing else on the entire team.

Too Low:
Jacksonville..... Every year I think to myself, "Man the Jags are overrated," but they keep winning. They must find a way to not lose to the Titans and Texans so much though.
Cincinnati....... Palmer was good last year, but he clearly wasn't "right". I expect him to play better this year.
Some of the teams towards the bottom (Browns, Vikes, Bucs, GB, Miami) I think could move up a couple spots, but not enough spots for me to really complain about them.
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Here's why:

1. Vince Young. He's gonna get hurt. It will happen. Brace yourself for it.
2. LenDale White (whom I loved coming out of USC) is eating his way out of the league.
3. You have no wideouts
4. Your best corner/returner may never play again.

Good enough for starters.
Um, well my post was actually responding to the reasoning of the other post and correcting a few statements that were misleading. I didn't say the Titans had no reasons to struggle....just argued against the points he brought up because they weren't logical and/or accurate.

In any case, the 4 points you bring up are trivial at best as well. Only 3 are serious, and of the 3, 2 are wild cards (LenDale and the WR's), and the 4th is not a team killer. Besides, unproven players at positions doesn't automatically mean those positions will suck, that's how stars are born.
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Besides, unproven players at positions doesn't automatically mean those positions will suck, that's how stars are born.
I'm somewhat surprised they didn't make more of an effort to solidify the cast around VY given his play last year. It just seems like the right time to get a nucleus of proven performers together on offense to give Vince the opportunity to really show what he can do.

Looking at the Titan's offseason/draft, I think it would be pretty tough to expect any improvement out of them this year... more than likely they will be taking a step back.
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The first thing I'm going to mention here is the debate over the Minnesota defense last season, particularly the run defense. It seems that everyone is forgetting that the Vikings had the worst pass defense in the league. I am of the belief that the Viking run defense was definitely top 10 in the league, but that coupled with the fact that the pass defense was weak, one must assume that other teams realized it would be smarter to attack the clearly weaker unit of the Viking's defense. The tendency of other teams to do this makes the defensive passing stats look worse than they actually were, while making the run defense stats look better than they actually were. Here is some evidence to help illustrate what I am saying.

The Vikings were run against 348 times (least in the league), the next closest team was the Ravens at 367 times, past that was the Pats at 388. Twenty-three teams had the ball run against them over 440 times. On the flip side, the Vikings were passed agains 599 times (most in the league), followed by the Bears at 581 and the Giants with 567. Twenty-eight teams were passed on 540 times or fewer. One more point, the Raiders gave up the least pass yards per game by 9 fewer than the Colts, and 28 fewer than the next team, the Saints. Now ask yourself, was that because the Raiders pass defense was just flat out amazing, or a statistical anomally.

Now, for the actual rankings. My quick assessment on who is too high and too low.

Too High:
Saints.... I like the story, but we must remember they were just 10-6 last year.
Broncos..... Defense is admittedly scary, especially pass D, but that's asking a lot of a 2nd year QB
Jets..... Jets did get better in the offseason, but they had a wicked easy schedule last year. So with a harder schedule and some improvements, I think they should be happy with 10-6 again, more likely the 7-9 to 9-7 range.
Steelers..... This is more of a gut feeling, I look at their roster and just don't see much that looks scary. I would be a little worried if I were a Steelers fan.
Lions...... I can sum this up in three letters, WTF???
Titans..... I loved watching Young's antics last season, but statistically he wasn't that good. On top of that they have virtually nothing else on the entire team.

Too Low:
Jacksonville..... Every year I think to myself, "Man the Jags are overrated," but they keep winning. They must find a way to not lose to the Titans and Texans so much though.
Cincinnati....... Palmer was good last year, but he clearly wasn't "right". I expect him to play better this year.
Some of the teams towards the bottom (Browns, Vikes, Bucs, GB, Miami) I think could move up a couple spots, but not enough spots for me to really complain about them.
Great post, I agree with everything you said.

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Why can't someone talk about the eagles without mentioning Kevin Kolb anymore? I'm not gonna argue with the spot, although I really think it should be a little higher
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I'm somewhat surprised they didn't make more of an effort to solidify the cast around VY given his play last year. It just seems like the right time to get a nucleus of proven performers together on offense to give Vince the opportunity to really show what he can do.

Looking at the Titan's offseason/draft, I think it would be pretty tough to expect any improvement out of them this year... more than likely they will be taking a step back.
By not signing who exactly did they fail to solidify the cast? And I hardly call taking a WR at 19 "solidifying" the cast around VY, it's not like they passed on any serious weapons.

They tried to sign Stallworth, but he wanted to go to the Pats - who wouldn't. Well, that was before Moss was acquired, wonder if he regrets that now. He would have hardly been an improvement anyway, and that's the best FA had to offer with offensive weapons.

Not really sure what you expected them to do this offseason given the weak FA class and limited options in the draft. Anyway, this time last year, it was "tough" seeing any improvement for 06 as well. Solid teams are built through the draft, I guess we'll see how solid the 04, 05 and 06 classes have been for the Titans this season.

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I actually think the Bears are a little high considering the loss of players we've experienced this year. Then again the Colts lost quite a bit as well and they're still #1 so go figure...
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Actually after looking it over I'm not sure who I would put above us. You could make a case for Denver, Baltimore, or Philly, but they all have their questions as well.
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Denver, Detroit, and St. Louis are all too high
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Detroit at 14 is a joke, they will right back in the top 10 in next years draft.
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Not really sure what you expected them to do this offseason given the weak FA class and limited options in the draft.
Keeping Travis Henry would've been a good start. Stallworth wasn't the only WR available - Kevin Curtis was a FA and Darrell Jackson was on the trading block (I'm sure Seattle would've preferred sending him to the AFC rather than a division rival).

I agree that taking a WR at 19 wouldn't really 'solidify' anything, as receivers often have trouble with the transition to the NFL. All the more reason to acquire a veteran WR to help VY out.
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Um, well my post was actually responding to the reasoning of the other post and correcting a few statements that were misleading. I didn't say the Titans had no reasons to struggle....just argued against the points he brought up because they weren't logical and/or accurate.

In any case, the 4 points you bring up are trivial at best as well. Only 3 are serious, and of the 3, 2 are wild cards (LenDale and the WR's), and the 4th is not a team killer. Besides, unproven players at positions doesn't automatically mean those positions will suck, that's how stars are born.
Nuh uh man. #1 is dead-ass serious. It will happen. Come on, VY has no supporting cast. Someone's gonna tee off on him and he'll get hurt.
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. Last year they were so much better than any other team in run defense. I think it was a fluke. They just don't have the personnel to be truly that good of a run defense.
We really weren't that good against the run. We just didnt have the pass defense to make teams run so they didnt. I mean if you can throw for 20 yards a play and be basically guarenteed first downs, why run the ball?

For me though the three worst teams in the league are Minny, Oakland and Houston. All 3 have nothing at QB, very little at WR, not much at RB(Minny at least has a stud rookie, the other 2 have nothing). Minny does have a decent line which the others dont but we also have a moron coach which cancels it out. Personally I think Houston are the worst team in the league, then Oakland then Minny.

Detroit, Cleveland, Arizona and Tampa Bay are all teams that can be good or really bad depending on how a few things go. Personally I think that Arizona will make the step up because they have a legit QB and made some nice moves in regards to their O-Line. Cleveland are very good everywhere but RB, WR and QB but they have potential at all 3. Frye could yet get it, Brady is a legit talent. Edwards is a talent, if he can get some support they are fine. Lewis can still be accountable at RB. Detroit could have one of the leagues top offenses if the line can do anything and Kitna plays well. Defensively they are solid and should be better again this year.
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Nuh uh man. #1 is dead-ass serious. It will happen. Come on, VY has no supporting cast. Someone's gonna tee off on him and he'll get hurt.
You cannot possibly predict that.
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You cannot possibly predict that.
I just did :)
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