Vick Indicted by a FED Grand Jury - Page 2

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

this isnt like a DUI or punching someone out at a nightclub so roger goodell shouldnt let this slide just because its first offense. year long, nothing less.

A DUI is greatly putting other human lives at risk. That's very serious. edit

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

A DUI is greatly putting other human lives at risk. edit

A dui does greatly put others at risk. and if i remember correctly jared allen has two dui's and he got only two games. Im saying vick knowingly and willingly killed numbers of dogs by torture as well as many other illegal dog fighting instances. and since the feds are usually pretty sure about someones guilt when they indict someone i think its pretty safe to assume he did these things so he should be suspended for this year.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

A dui does greatly put others at risk. and if i remember correctly jared allen has two dui's and he got only two games. Im saying vick knowingly and willingly killed numbers of dogs by torture as well as many other illegal dog fighting instances. and since the feds are usually pretty sure about someones guilt when they indict someone i think its pretty safe to assume he did these things so he should be suspended for this year.

The fact still remains. First offense, not an convicted man yet.

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 07:40 PM

youre being a homer when looking at this. you need to look at this from an unbiased perspective. this is a situation where first offense doesnt matter, and the facts that he has been indicted by the feds means that he is as good as guilty.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

youre being a homer when looking at this. you need to look at this from an unbiased perspective. this is a situation where first offense doesnt matter, and the facts that he has been indicted by the feds means that he is as good as guilty.

90% of the time you are right. The 10% who are found innocent strongly disagree. Does Goddell really want to open up a can of worms here? If he suspends every first time offender who looks like they are guilty, he will be in a world of trouble.

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

90% of the time you are right. The 10% who are found innocent strongly disagree. Does Goddell really want to open up a can of worms here? If he suspends every first time offender who looks like they are guilty, he will be in a world of trouble.

Im pretty sure the feds know that mike vick is pretty famous therefore they know this case will be heavily scrutinized by the media. Im pretty sure they did their homework on this one and unless they mess up the evidence vick is as good as done. At least you guys could go for a real QB like brohm next year that might actually lead you guys to the superbowl.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

Im pretty sure the feds know that mike vick is pretty famous therefore they know this case will be heavily scrutinized by the media. Im pretty sure they did their homework on this one and unless they mess up the evidence vick is as good as done. At least you guys could go for a real QB like brohm next year that might actually lead you guys to the superbowl.

OJ was as good as done. So were Kobe and Ray Lewis. All were guarenteed to be convicted by the unknowing fans. And about the shot at Vick's QB play. Please stop, you have no idea if you think a guy who sits in the pocket is the only way to get to a Superbowl.

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

OJ was as good as done. So were Kobe and Ray Lewis. All were guarenteed to be convicted by the unknowing fans. And about the shot at Vick's QB play. Please stop, you have no idea if you think a guy who sits in the pocket is the only way to get to a Superbowl.

like i said screwed up evidence can ruin a case. and my shot at vick never said anything about his scrambling ability. face it, he's the most overrated player in the nfl.

And youre naive if you think OJ is actually innocent.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

like i said screwed up evidence can ruin a case. and my shot at vick never said anything about his scrambling ability. face it, he's the most overrated player in the nfl.

And youre naive if you think OJ is actually innocent.

Have you not looked at this very own boards QB ratings? People were putting the likes of Favre and Romo ahead of him. He isn't overrated. Throw out the OJ case all together since it's so contriversal. Kobe and Ray were in for much worse things than Vick is. They got off, and most people think nothing less of them.

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

Have you not looked at this very own boards QB ratings? People were putting the likes of Favre and Romo ahead of him. He isn't overrated. Throw out the OJ case all together since it's so contriversal. Kobe and Ray were in for much worse things than Vick is. They got off, and most people think nothing less of them.

Im gonna get of the vick as a QB thing cause its off topic to this thread, but to respond to your last statement, yes, people do think much less of ray lewis and kobe bryant. do you know how many sponsers they lost?

Shiver · 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

I suppose I'm the last one left then.

I think so.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashmoneydrew

Im gonna get of the vick as a QB thing cause its off topic to this thread, but to respond to your last statement, yes, people do think much less of ray lewis and kobe bryant. do you know how many sponsers they lost?

When people talk how often do they bring up their murder and rape cases? Barely at all. It's really been faded due to the fact they were found innocent, and have had success since.

Cashmoney · 07-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

When people talk how often do they bring up their murder and rape cases? Barely at all. It's really been faded due to the fact they were found innocent, and have had success since.

well maybe one day we'll be able to talk about vick the same way, but i highly doubt it.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiver

I think so.

I guess I'll keep the hope so if this goes in a complete 180, all of us aren't made out to look like fools.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-19-2007, 08:02 AM

I was just thinking this over, and realistically, if the organization still wants Vick, we can keep him.

If Vick is guilty, do you really think he is going to give up his football career, and 100 million dollar deal for a couple of dog fighters? No way. He'd take a plea bargain, and start naming names. He'd probaly end up with a fine and probation. That would probaly get him suspended for 4-8 games, considering it's a first offense. Or on the otherhand, he is innocent, and we move on. But I just read an article where Goddell is going to let this legal situation play out before he suspends him. So realistically, if we still want Vick, we should be able to keep him.

LonghornsLegend · 07-19-2007, 11:41 AM

I dont see why its any reason to jump the gun and go after a new qb, and push your super bowl aspirations back 4-5 years...Vick might miss half this season, maybe 4 games if innocent, but when he does come back what do you do then? do you try to trade him which is gonna kill your cap the next two years, and obviously if vick plays any this year your pick wouldnt be as high as if harrington played all year long...

Shiver · 07-19-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I dont see why its any reason to jump the gun and go after a new qb, and push your super bowl aspirations back 4-5 years...Vick might miss half this season, maybe 4 games if innocent, but when he does come back what do you do then? do you try to trade him which is gonna kill your cap the next two years, and obviously if vick plays any this year your pick wouldnt be as high as if harrington played all year long...

It isn't as if the Falcons have super bowl aspirations now, anyway. They have a young nucleus, with a new coaching staff, that by all accounts the team is in a retooling stage. The conviction rate for Federal indictments is 95%. There odds are significantly against Michael Vick. Even if he is in the minority of those who are found innocent, his image is damaged significantly. Finally: Michael Vick was never as good as his contract was worth. He, quite frankly, isn't worth this kind of money and headache. If the team has a shot at a franchise QB, like a Brian Brohm, then by all means they have to take him.

iloxygenil · 07-19-2007, 03:02 PM

if we get a shot at Brohm we'll take it...that's all there is to it.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iloxygenil

if we get a shot at Brohm we'll take it...that's all there is to it.

The thing is, I personally think we have to be top 3 to get him. With Vick not fully invested, or even with Harrington, I don't think this is a 3-12 team.

JDB7821 · 07-19-2007, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

The thing is, I personally think we have to be top 3 to get him. With Vick not fully invested, or even with Harrington, I don't think this is a 3-12 team.

No, we don't. We have just as much ammo next year as we did this year and we could have moved up for Calvin. Add in the fact that Kerney will get us a high comp. pick and we should be good. Trading away draft picks won't kill this team, we're already tremendously young at a bunch of spots:

CB, CB, FS, SLB, WLB, MLB depth, DE, DT depth, WR, G, HB, and FB. We don't have a pressing need to add more youth. We do, however, have a pressing need to get a leader at QB.

ATLDirtyBirds · 07-19-2007, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDB7821

No, we don't. We have just as much ammo next year as we did this year and we could have moved up for Calvin. Add in the fact that Kerney will get us a high comp. pick and we should be good. Trading away draft picks won't kill this team, we're already tremendously young at a bunch of spots:

CB, CB, FS, SLB, WLB, MLB depth, DE, DT depth, WR, G, HB, and FB. We don't have a pressing need to add more youth. We do, however, have a pressing need to get a leader at QB.

Trading a lot of draft picks to move up and get someone, hasn't been exactly kind in the past.

BamaFalcon59 · 07-19-2007, 05:52 PM

Personally, I don't like any of next years QBs. But the Petrino connection with Brohm raises his stock with us I would guess.

iloxygenil · 07-19-2007, 11:43 PM

I'd love to have Brohm, he's not a once in a lifetime guy, but he could come in this system and dominate very quickly

NGSeiler · 07-20-2007, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

If Vick is guilty, do you really think he is going to give up his football career, and 100 million dollar deal for a couple of dog fighters? No way. He'd take a plea bargain, and start naming names. He'd probaly end up with a fine and probation.

Come on now. Do you really believe the feds have any interest in allowing such a high profile case to be resolved with a plea deal and no prison time? Really?

iloxygenil · 07-20-2007, 12:29 AM

I think he's a goner if he's convicted. I think he'll be made an example of, and while I think it's STUPID to fight dogs, I think it's even more stupid that taking human lives is even less penalized, PETA is out of control...lets worry about getting human rights where they belong before we worry about who killed the wrong kinda bird in their backyard with a pellet gun.

I'm not going to defend him if he was fighting dogs, but I still hate animal rights activists, they're animals, I understand people love them, and we shouldn't mistreat them because we were given stewardship over them, but give me a break.