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Gravy Jackson
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Is his first name actually Gravy or is that a nickname that became normal like Pac-Man Jones?
im pretty sure that was a typo, or he was making fun of how tremendously fat that dude is.
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im pretty sure that was a typo, or he was making fun of how tremendously fat that dude is.
ya its Grady Jackson but personaly I like Gravy Jackson better lol
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ya its Grady Jackson but personaly I like Gravy Jackson better lol
That's unfortunate, I was hoping there was a guy actually named Gravy because that would be too awesome.
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Tampa 2 UT = Tommie Harris
4-3 (any scheme) NT = John Henderson
3-4 NT = Jamal Williams

For the Colts, I'd take Tommie Harris without a second thought.
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John Henderson. Marcus Stroud, while very good, is somewhat overrated by national types. At one point he was the better player, but the past few years John has been better and has deserved the Pro Bowl over Marcus.
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Is his first name actually Gravy or is that a nickname that became normal like Pac-Man Jones?
Nickname. He is gigantic.
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im pretty sure that was a typo, or he was making fun of how tremendously fat that dude is.
Yeah. But it's 90% beast.
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Henderson is the best and most underrated d-tackle in the league.
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Its close race between John Henderson, Tommie Harris, and Kevin Williams. But i am gong to have to take Kevin Williams.
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That's unfortunate, I was hoping there was a guy actually named Gravy because that would be too awesome.
He led the NFL in tackles for loss. The best way to quantify the impact Jackson provided is this:

'05 Falcons
  • 26th in rushing yards per game against
  • 32nd in yards per carry against

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  • 9th in rushing yards per game against
  • 6th in yards per carry against

The Falcons gave up 4.7 YPC against in '05, and 3.7 YPC against in '06. The Falcons added Lawyer Milloy and Grady Jackson and that's it. In fact they played most of the year with no names like Josh Mallard and Paul Carrington at the Defensive End positions, and with Rod Coleman out.
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Even though he's a viking, I'm a big fan of Kevin Willimas. This guy is a playmaker and the best in my eyes. Tommie Harris is right behind him.
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For the Colts, I'd take Tommie Harris without a second thought.
I second this. Although Kevin Williams definitely is right behind Harris, bc of his versatility to play end if need be.
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Tampa 2 UT = Tommie Harris
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3-4 NT = Jamal Williams

For the Colts, I'd take Tommie Harris without a second thought.
I'd take Jamal Williams and Richard Seymour over Harris (or maybe Williams as he's been more durable), but it's no secret I would want to tweak the Cover 2/Tampa 2 scheme. As is, it's potentially too flawed for my personal liking.

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with Rod Coleman out.
I don't recall Coleman's injuries, but he missed one game in 2006. (I only checked because I hadn't realized he missed any games.)
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Even though he "played," he was a phantom contributor for about four games. He was hobbled through the middle part of the season, I should have said.
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I thought as much, looking at his 06 gamelog. I must have missed his being injured or forgot it altogether, although I distinctly remember him making plays against the Cowboys on NFLN (when he looked to have been in better health later in the year) and Dick Vermeil praising him.
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He made a resurgence late in the year; unfortunately the season was over at that point.
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Williams and Harris are quick, and definitely beastly, but I just can't see any DT doing their job better than Jamal Williams does. He just crushes two or three guys at a time, every play.

Henderson is the only competition to Williams IMO.
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3-4 is Jamal Williams, but Casey Hampton is a close second
4-3 is Marcus Stroud and John Henderson tied.

Overall I'd say Jamal Williams.
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I think its a toss up between Tommie Harris and Jamal Williams, depending on what kind of scheme you run, with an honorable mention to John Henderson, who is a great 4-3 NT, which makes him hard to compare to a penetrator like Tommie Harris.
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I think its a toss up between Tommie Harris and Jamal Williams, depending on what kind of scheme you run, with an honorable mention to John Henderson, who is a great 4-3 NT, which makes him hard to compare to a penetrator like Tommie Harris.
the top 3 are

Kevin Williams, Jamal Williams and Tommie Harris (no order)
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Tampa 2 UT = Tommie Harris
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3-4 NT = Jamal Williams

For the Colts, I'd take Tommie Harris without a second thought.
Tommie Harris would suddenly make that defense frightening.

I rode the Colts defense hard last season, but I have to admit that I may be re-adjusting my position on them. They made a very loud statement with the way they played in the playoffs. After all, they were middle of the pack in 05, when Bob Sanders was healthy all year (absolutely the most important person to their defense). If they could ever get an elite talent at DT, I think it'd make them a consistent top 7 unit. They have pieces in place, they just need a couple more.
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John Henderson will eat your children
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Tommie Harris would suddenly make that defense frightening.

I rode the Colts defense hard last season, but I have to admit that I may be re-adjusting my position on them. They made a very loud statement with the way they played in the playoffs. After all, they were middle of the pack in 05, when Bob Sanders was healthy all year (absolutely the most important person to their defense). If they could ever get an elite talent at DT, I think it'd make them a consistent top 7 unit.
Indianapolis has a very solid D-Line, but when it comes to replacing Cato June and the members they lost in that secondary, I don't know if they added good enough replacements to make up for the loss. Their offense will be great, but I think it'll be more about their pass defnse this year than their run defense that will cause themselves problems.
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