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Old 07-18-2007, 04:49 PM    (permalink
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Assistant: Mike we're on the clock Chris Gamble is available who should we take?

Mike Sherman: Well I remember that Ahmad Carroll was fast, hmm what else did I see?...


Mike: Oh right, ahhhhhhhhhh take that Carroll guy
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reggie williams may not of lived up to being drafted top 10, but he's a very solid WR, and alot could be due to inconsistent qb play
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I would have to put Ben troupe (Titans first pick in the 04 draft) under the list for Disappointments at this point....
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:08 PM    (permalink
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There's far too much hate for Losman, he's still young, give him some time to develop. Last year he had 62% completion percentage and over 3000 yards. Add in 140 rushing yards and he's doing pretty well for someone who's only started something like 30 games.
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Man, what a great freakin' draft. Might be the strongest first round crop we've seen in quite some time.

Busts:

Reggie Williams
Robert Gallery
Kenichi Udeze
Ahmad Carroll
Jason Babin
Rashaun Woods
Chris Perry

Disappointments (not up to snuff yet):

Eli Manning
JP Losman
Kevin Jones
Michael Clayton
Michael Jenkins
The only part I disagree with is categorizing JP Losman as a 'disappointment.' He did a fine job last year and should continue to develop. The Bills were lambasted for that trade to get him, so I think he even has exceeded expectations. Few people thought he'd ever amount to anything.
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Haha I knew this thread was a breeding ground for Carroll jokes from Packer fans.
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Old 07-18-2007, 08:21 PM    (permalink
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There's far too much hate for Losman, he's still young, give him some time to develop. Last year he had 62% completion percentage and over 3000 yards. Add in 140 rushing yards and he's doing pretty well for someone who's only started something like 30 games.
With 0 talent around him.

I like Losman, hopefully he can get out or Buffalo puts some talent around him. It would be a shame to see him turn into another Patrick Ramsey lol.
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You people will see this year, with Byron starting, how good Reggie Williams can be. He played great when Byron started. When Garrard started, it was a different story...
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reggie williams may not of lived up to being drafted top 10, but he's a very solid WR, and alot could be due to inconsistent qb play
My opinion too, I think if the QB play improves he'll be able to score 10-12 td's considering he's so tall
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Any Seattle fans want to weigh in on Marcus Tubbs' progress?
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Wasn't Ahmad Carroll cut from Jacksonville during the season for a drug arrest or something?
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With 0 talent around him.

I like Losman, hopefully he can get out or Buffalo puts some talent around him. It would be a shame to see him turn into another Patrick Ramsey lol.
On the contrary, they've done a nice job giving him some help. Just this off-season they've added Derrick Dockery and Marshawn Lynch to go along with pro-bowl caliber players like Lee Evans and Jason Peters.
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reggie williams may not of lived up to being drafted top 10, but he's a very solid WR, and alot could be due to inconsistent qb play
Reggie Williams was playing very well at the beginning of last season. Then Leftwich got hurt, Captain Turnover came in, and the passing game fell apart.
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Eli Manning is a bust? Wow. How stupid of the Giants to excercise an expensive option to keep him in New York a few extra years. Seeing how he's a bust and all.
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I wouldn't call him a bust but he isn't out of the woods by any means
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Eli Manning is a bust? Wow. How stupid of the Giants to excercise an expensive option to keep him in New York a few extra years. Seeing how he's a bust and all.
Value wise, unless he magically turns into Unitas overnight, he's a bust.

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hey jason babin wasn't a bust. he led the Texans in sacks last year! oh ya, we're terrible. Dunta is awesome though.
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Eli Manning is a bust? Wow. How stupid of the Giants to excercise an expensive option to keep him in New York a few extra years. Seeing how he's a bust and all.
A team exercising an extension has no real bearing over whether he's a bust, but as far as on the field production is concerned, up until now at least, unless he shows something more, he's a bust.
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Oh I see where this thread is going.

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Oh I see where this thread is going.

*sigh*
Okay let me rephrase then, to avoid further controversy over a beaten-down subject haha.

Eli Manning has shown both potential to be great, and has indicated that he may as well be a bust.

It has to be determined later, not now as its too soon to judge him..


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I'd rather just pretend this draft never happened
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Reggie Williams was playing very well at the beginning of last season. Then Leftwich got hurt, Captain Turnover came in, and the passing game fell apart.
When Garrard was the QB, Williams' face was on the side of milk cartons. It was hilarious how, after Del Rio benched Garrard for Quinn Gray in the season finale at KC, Gray didn't waste time completing a big pass to Williams.
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With 0 talent around him.

I like Losman, hopefully he can get out or Buffalo puts some talent around him. It would be a shame to see him turn into another Patrick Ramsey lol.
Buffalo has an explosive offense. Clayton even said a litlle while back that it reminded him of the Rams greatest show on turf. Now I wouldnt go that far at all but they are good.

RB- Lynch, WR- Evans/Parrish TE- Royal/Everett should get the #1 spot this season. The problem has always been the o-line but that looks to be rectified quite abit this year.

Buffalo's young D will be the teller of their success this year, damn they got some talented young safeties.
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