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Brian Schottenheimer will get his shot in no time unfortunately for us Jets fans.
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He may be an OL coach, but the Pats Dante Scarnecchia really knows what he is doing. I think he could definitely lead a team.
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I think Norm Chow's career is the perfect example of doing your niche job too well and not getting promoted for it. He is excellent with young QB's and offenses, and so far, that's all teams both college and NFL have really wanted him for. He may be a great HC, but he's viewed as a specialist. I think soon though he will be given his chance.
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I agree, but I think both are better served as assistants. If you want to run a Cover 2, Monte's your man, not Rivera. Make him your DC and put a young motivator at HC (Tomlin would be perfect IMO).
Kiffin at DC and a young motivator as head coach. Sounds kind of like our current situation.
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I personally blame Ron Rivera for the Bear's losing the superbowl. I really do. I felt that the weather was a gift from the football gods and he didnt take advantage of it. When it was pouring the way it was, why wasn't he aggressive? Why didn't he blitz Peyton? Instead he essentially had his guys play prevent the whole game, and made Peyton's life easy by allowing him to check down all game. The deepball wasn't there, the weather wouldn't allow it. There was no need to put so much emphasis on defending it. To me, the Bears couldve won that Superbowl if Rivera didn't call a horrible game.

However, (even though i just ripped him), this is the man to get if you want to run a Tampa 2 defense. He's a military man, he garners respect from his guys, good motivator, and he's one of the better Cover 2 minds out there. If youre going Cover 2, Ron Rivera is your man.
I was also miffed at Rivera's game plan for the Carolina playoff game in 2005. He refused to give any extra attention to Steve Smith and after the game put all the blame on the players for not executing. A possible factor in his poor game plans for these games is that the last couple of years Rivera has been whoring himself out to any organization willing to interview him for a HC job at the end of the year usually right before the big games in question. Its possible his ambition for a head spot distracted him from his responsibilities and that this wouldn't be a problem if he were to finally land that coveted HC gig. You also have to figure with all the interviews this guy has been on, why hasn't he landed anything yet.

I disagree that Rivera is a Tampa 2 guru. He was a Buddy Ryan disciple originally and although has probably recieved some expert tutelage from Lovie over the past three years, I doubt he's on the same level as a Monte Kiffin. It will be interesting to see what kind of scheme Rivera ultimately implements when he gets his own team to mold, considering he will have 3-4 zone blitz, Tampa 2, and 46 defensive experience to draw from.
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He probably will never be because he's too old but Jim Johnson is no doubt good enough to be a HC.
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I already somewhat mentioned it but a few years down the road Hue Jacksons name will start popping up for HC jobs.

He's a young motivator who really relates with the players and knows how to control them, he'll make a great HC. I wish we would've fired Bratkowski so he could be our new OC.
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Doug Marrone, OL coach of New Orleans. Keep a look out also for Pete Carmichael (QB coach) and Gary Gibbs (DC). If the Saints offense stays on track and has another big year or two, I can see Carmichael getting attention as a young, offensive mind. He has worked with San Diego and this past year, he was offered a position as OC for Miami Dolphins but turned it down. Gibbs was interviewed by two teams seeking a head coach, so I can imagine he will continue to be on the radar. Marrone is just a really solid OL coach and a guy with a proven track record. When he was with the New York Jets, they had some of the best lines that paved the way for Curtis Martin to put up some huge numbers.
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I personally blame Ron Rivera for the Bear's losing the superbowl. I really do. I felt that the weather was a gift from the football gods and he didnt take advantage of it. When it was pouring the way it was, why wasn't he aggressive? Why didn't he blitz Peyton? Instead he essentially had his guys play prevent the whole game, and made Peyton's life easy by allowing him to check down all game. The deepball wasn't there, the weather wouldn't allow it. There was no need to put so much emphasis on defending it. To me, the Bears couldve won that Superbowl if Rivera didn't call a horrible game.


However, (even though i just ripped him), this is the man to get if you want to run a Tampa 2 defense. He's a military man, he garners respect from his guys, good motivator, and he's one of the better Cover 2 minds out there. If youre going Cover 2, Ron Rivera is your man.
Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.
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I'm not sure if or when he said this....

But the last few years he has been interviewed for several HC jobs and is actively seeking one.
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Are we talking about anyone? Because it still amazes me that Jeff Tedford hasn't gotten an NFL job yet. Bobby Petrino is a good offensive mind but puhleaze. Steve Mariucci got a job for doing a whole lot less at Cal than what Tedford has done.
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Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.
Deny it all you want, the deep ball wasn't there. A blown assignment by Manning, as you said, allowed an opportunity that Peyton exploited and changed the Bears whole defensive philosophy. In other words if Daniel doesn't blow that coverage, Peyton may still be this generations Dan Marino.



As for Head Coaches for the future, I agree with the Rob Ryan assessment from BBD but still think Rex will get the nod eventhough it pains me to say so. Rex needs to stay put as our DC and just be happy!
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Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.
The only reason why that one particular deepball was there was because Manning blew his assignment. You can't change your whole gameplan because of one botched play. That was a mistake on his part. And go back and look at the ball thrown by Peyton. It was a floater that was inaccurate. The only reason why thats a TD is because he was SO wide open. The deep ball wasn't there, Rivera shouldve noticed that and kept staying aggressive. By forcing Peyton to check down, he actually made his life easier. The harder thing for Peyton to do under those circumstances is to throw the ball downfield with pressure in his face. Thats what Rivera shouldve forced him to do all game.

As for Rivera's background, he's stated that he would implement a Cover 2 defense to whichever team he goes to. What makes him a good HC is his background. While I hate the Tampa 2, I do like Chicago's version of it moreso than the other versions, because they run alot of man coverages and blitzes compared to other Tampa 2 variations. Im still not a big fan of it, but if I do like his variation of the scheme better than Dungy's for example.

And his implementation of techniques he's learned such as the absolute blitz technique and zone blitz packages would only make his scheme better. I have no problem with it.

I think he'd make a better HC than a DC honestly.
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It will be an absolute crime if Russ Grimm doesn't get a HC job this upcoming year.

As for Trovac (however you spell it), I don't think he should. If his defense is as good as some will lead you to believe, then he's actually underachieved as a DC because they have not lived up to expectations. Also, its tough to know for sure what youre getting out of him, because the defense is essentially in the mold of John Fox's scheme. I guess you can determine his worth based on playcalling, but I haven't payed enough attention to him in that regards to make an accurate assessment.
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The only reason why that one particular deepball was there was because Manning blew his assignment. You can't change your whole gameplan because of one botched play. That was a mistake on his part. And go back and look at the ball thrown by Peyton. It was a floater that was inaccurate. The only reason why thats a TD is because he was SO wide open. The deep ball wasn't there, Rivera shouldve noticed that and kept staying aggressive. By forcing Peyton to check down, he actually made his life easier. The harder thing for Peyton to do under those circumstances is to throw the ball downfield with pressure in his face. Thats what Rivera shouldve forced him to do all game.
Obviously the Bears didn't trust their safeties enough after that to continue with the pressure. Another blown coverage like that (which could've easily happened with young safeties such as Manning and Harris, neither of which has played more than 2 years in the NFL) would've likely led to another TD, so the Bears (probably Lovie's call to switch) decided that instead of gambling on their safeties, they would gamble on their front 7 and the weather to force the Colts into mistakes (which they actually did), and contain the Colts' offense as much as possible (the Colts' offense scored 16 points the rest of the way on a TD and 3 FGs).

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As for Rivera's background, he's stated that he would implement a Cover 2 defense to whichever team he goes to. What makes him a good HC is his background. While I hate the Tampa 2, I do like Chicago's version of it moreso than the other versions, because they run alot of man coverages and blitzes compared to other Tampa 2 variations. Im still not a big fan of it, but if I do like his variation of the scheme better than Dungy's for example.

And his implementation of techniques he's learned such as the absolute blitz technique and zone blitz packages would only make his scheme better. I have no problem with it.
Where have you heard this? I live near Chicago and they did about 5 interviews with Ron Rivera in the month after the Super Bowl on local sports talk radio, and whenever questions like that were brought up, he never talked about how he would implement a Tampa 2 as a head coach, and he always seemed to talk about his time under Jim Johnson as having a great influence on him. To me, that saidthat his defense would most likely resemble a Jim Johnson defense (obviously with his own little tweaks and variations) if given the oppurtunity as a Head Coach somewhere.
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