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Old 07-20-2007, 01:58 PM    (permalink
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Vick said sorry to Blank. Why apologize if you're innocent?
Not saying I think he's innocent, but he could just be apologizing for all the negative publicity. I don't see that as an admission of guilt at all.
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Here we go with idealism instead of common sense again...
He did these things. That's not even at issue here.
What the league can act upon is "conduct detrimental to the league." Tell me that Michael Vick has been a good thing for the NFL this week. Tell me that he's been a nonissue for the league this week. Tell me that he has been anything other than the biggest headache the league has endured since, well, ever.

For all you know Michael Vick's lawyers could have the best defense we have ever heard, and he gets off. Does it seem like he's guilty? Hell yes. Do you think Vick is going to hire some jerk-off lawyer or a top notch one? He could still be proven innocent.

He's not been good for the NFL this last week, but you can't seem to understand how much worse it would be for the NFL if he is found innocent and they had already suspended him.
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Vick said sorry to Blank. Why apologize if you're innocent?
Precisely. Even by if some freak chance, he had no knowledge of what was going on at his property, his associations have brought intense scrunity to himself, his team, and the league. That alone is "conduct detrimental."
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The thing is, Goddell wouldn't be suspending Vick because of what PETA is saying or doing. It would be based off Vick's image being bad for the league. What PETA is saying or doing is a side issue.
They should suspend Terrell Owens for his image too.
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Precisely. Even by if some freak chance, he had no knowledge of what was going on at his property, his associations have brought intense scrunity to himself, his team, and the league. That alone is "conduct detrimental."
LOL. Now we're suspending a guy because of the people he associates with? You should read the constitution...
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Not saying I think he's innocent, but he could just be apologizing for all the negative publicity. I don't see that as an admission of guilt at all.
pacman was suspended for creating negative publicity moreso than anything he was actually convicted of, so why can't vick be suspended for the same thing?
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The thing is, Goddell wouldn't be suspending Vick because of what PETA is saying or doing. It would be based off Vick's image being bad for the league. What PETA is saying or doing is a side issue.
Touche'.

But someone argued about why Vick should be suspended and threw out PETA's protests. If Goodell suspended Vick wouldn't some think that PETA's protests were somewhat linked to it?

I do think that Vick's image is ruining the league, but I am really curious to see what would've went down if Ray Lewis' whole murder case occured with Goodell in office. It's a wait - and - see thing, I feel. I do think that Goodell has a case of suspending Vick because of image, but if Vick is found innocent; what happens?

BTW, what happened to Boddie? Wasn't he the "cousin"?
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pacman was suspended for creating negative publicity moreso than anything he was actually convicted of, so why can't vick be suspended for the same thing?
Pacman was in trouble with the law and it was proven...
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Not saying I think he's innocent, but he could just be apologizing for all the negative publicity. I don't see that as an admission of guilt at all.

I never did understand why that's the first conclusion people jumped to.


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None of the sources knew or would divulge the exact wording of what is said to have been a fairly brief conversation. But Vick, who was said by one associate to have been "devastated" by the indictment, is believed to have been contrite, apologized for the distractions the case has created, and thanked Blank for his support.
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pacman was suspended for creating negative publicity moreso than anything he was actually convicted of, so why can't vick be suspended for the same thing?
How many incidents did Pacman have? How many did Chris Henry have? Vick had one as Bottlegate was deemed a mistake or just a "precautionary" thing. The only legal problem I saw with Vick is an illegal sticker on a boat.
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The thing is, Goddell wouldn't be suspending Vick because of what PETA is saying or doing. It would be based off Vick's image being bad for the league. What PETA is saying or doing is a side issue.
Does PETA not magnify that bad image?
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Pacman was in trouble with the law and it was proven...
then why doesnt the league say thats why he was suspended, as oppossed to "multiple run-ins with the law"
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then why doesnt the league say thats why he was suspended, as oppossed to "multiple run-ins with the law"
I'm guessing they warned him after his first incident that he was proven guilty. They probably said if you continue getting involved in incidents, you'll be suspended. Then he got into all those other incidents...
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pacman was suspended for creating negative publicity moreso than anything he was actually convicted of, so why can't vick be suspended for the same thing?
I think you quoted the wrong person. I merely stated that Vick's apology to Blank shouldn't be received as an admission of guilt.
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I think you quoted the wrong person. I merely stated that Vick's apology to Blank shouldn't be received as an admission of guilt.
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For creating a scene? Are you honestly taking his apology as an admission of guilt?
Yeah, he created a scene. What scene do you think that is? Do you think he's apologizing because his name is involved in false allegations? Get real. He is guilty. That's what he's sorry about.
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Yeah, he created a scene. What scene do you think that is? Do you think he's apologizing because his name is involved in false allegations? Get real. He is guilty. That's what he's sorry about.

I'll post it again. From the article where we all found out he apologized from.


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None of the sources knew or would divulge the exact wording of what is said to have been a fairly brief conversation. But Vick, who was said by one associate to have been "devastated" by the indictment, is believed to have been contrite, apologized for the distractions the case has created, and thanked Blank for his support.
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LOL. Now we're suspending a guy because of the people he associates with? You should read the constitution...
Again with the idealism in lieu of logical thought. He's dead to rights on abetting felons and criminal negligence in his dream scenario. Conduct detrimental. There's no harm whatsoever in the league suspending him.
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Yeah, he created a scene. What scene do you think that is? Do you think he's apologizing because his name is involved in false allegations? Get real. He is guilty. That's what he's sorry about.
He apologized about the distractions the case was creating. Wouldn't you do the same if you wanted to keep your job in a situation like this?

Stop pretending you're some all-knowing power and realize that you don't know that Vick is guilty.
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Again with the idealism in lieu of logical thought. He's dead to rights on abetting felons and criminal negligence in his dream scenario. Conduct detrimental. There's no harm whatsoever in the league suspending him.
If I grow drugs in my rented house is my landlord going to get locked up for "abetting felons"?

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They should suspend Terrell Owens for his image too.
When did TO break the law? TO brings positive drama to the league. They and the media live for his next move.
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When did TO break the law? TO brings positive drama to the league. They and the media live for his next move.
It has not been proven that Vick has broken the law. That's the whole point.
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If I grow drugs in my rented house is my landlord going to get locked up for "abetting felons"?
The key word there is rented. The tenent/landlord relationship is not even close to letting a bunch of guys sleep on your couch while committing felonies in your backyard.
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The key word there is rented. The tenent/landlord relationship is not even close to letting a bunch of guys sleep on your couch while committing felonies in your backyard.
How? Because no money is exchanged? Vick didn't even live there.
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He apologized about the distractions the case was creating. Wouldn't you do the same if you wanted to keep your job in a situation like this?

Stop pretending you're some all-knowing power and realize that you don't know that Vick is guilty.
If I think Vick is guilty, that puts me in the majority, buddy. Are we all pretending to be some all knowing power? NO. It's simple common sense. The Feds have all the evidence they need to convict him otherwise they wouldn't have put together this 19 page indictment. I think it's crazy for anyone to think he had no part in this.
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