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Old 07-21-2007, 02:19 AM    (permalink
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So when did "sources close to the 10 year veteran" become a reliable enough source to declare it as fact? Haven't "sources close to (insert player here)" been dead wrong on several previous occasions?
Somebody sounds a little scared.
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I would be to.

We don't know if he is retired or not. He is supposed to confirm or deny reports officially in a few days.
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It's not an overstatement; they lost their number 1 corner and number 1 LB.
Cato June is not a #1 LB by any stretch of the imagination. Number #1 corner is correct, but Nick Harper isn't some vital Pro Bowl-esque corner.
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Interceptions are not a fair way of judging a linebacker's value. Gary Brackett was much more valuable to their defense. I'd even go as far as to say Rob Morris was more valuable playing SAM late in the season, boosting their run D tremendously.
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Interesting........
Rhodes as well. Not really a sick back, but had a good superbowl. I guess now it will be up to Addai.
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Cato June is not a #1 LB by any stretch of the imagination. Number #1 corner is correct, but Nick Harper isn't some vital Pro Bowl-esque corner.
so it not a big loss, at all, he's just an interchangeable LB
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so it not a big loss, at all, he's just an interchangeable LB
The Colts are the only team that might actually get away with that with the way they've treated their backers.

Can anyone say Florida Marlins? Just kidding.
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oh yesss

a rookie verse Thomas-Seymour-Colvin-Vrabel (whoever plays that side against Colts)

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He said in a interview on TV this last year was his hardest year when it comes to how his body was feeling threw the week after a game.
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Old 07-21-2007, 01:29 PM    (permalink
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Well for ahile the colts could do no wrong.... now its biting them ... its gonna be hard for them to fill this need.. it will take ugoh time to adjust to the NFL although i think he is the long term solution personally.. good luck peyton...
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Thats asking alot from Ugoh...this is a big blow. Roosevelt Colvin is licking his chops right now.

I think the key losses they had were Rhodes, and now this one. I think their loses at CB wasn't too big of a deal considering the scheme they run plus the fact that they got Hughes in the draft. June stunk anyway, thats no big loss.

People underestimate how critical Rhodes was to their playoff success. He was HUGE against NE. He will be missed. I guarantee it.
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Thats asking alot from Ugoh...this is a big blow. Roosevelt Colvin is licking his chops right now.
...and Bobby McCray, and Mario Williams (or is he a LE?), and Kyle Vanden Bosch (same?).
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944430 make it official?
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...and Bobby McCray, and Mario Williams (or is he a LE?), and Kyle Vanden Bosch (same?).
KVB is officially a LE, but he can play RE and play it well. He sometimes gets interchanged due to the instability the Titans have at RE.

And as a Titans fan, this is very good news to hear.
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Thats asking alot from Ugoh...this is a big blow. Roosevelt Colvin is licking his chops right now.
As I said earlier, I don't think Ugoh starting from Week One is a given. There's no guarantee that the Colts throw the rookie into the fire immediately, especially at that position. Addai was a redshirt senior out of LSU and he didn't start until the playoffs.

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I think the key losses they had were Rhodes, and now this one. I think their loses at CB wasn't too big of a deal considering the scheme they run plus the fact that they got Hughes in the draft. June stunk anyway, thats no big loss.

People underestimate how critical Rhodes was to their playoff success. He was HUGE against NE. He will be missed. I guarantee it.
The loss of Rhodes isn't too big a deal for me. For one, the Colts wouldn't have paid what the Raiders paid - no way. Secondly, I no longer have to worry about his confidence issues and constant fumbling concerns (Jeff Saturday recovering Rhodes' fumble in the endzone in that NE game was HUGE). I'm more concerned with too much wear and tear on Addai, but the Colts seem adamant on keeping a second back in rotation and that's good news imo.

Imo the biggest reason for Rhodes' success in the playoffs was that his fresh legs after halftime gashed opposing defenses, who the Colts offense had two quarters to adjust to and wear down. I bet if you look at the postseason stats, Rhodes contribution in the first half of all four playoff games was absoutely dwarfed by his second half production.

Both DeDe Dorsey and Kenton Keith are lightier backs, which is a slight concern, but they are as fast/quick/shifty if not much moreso (3D in particular) so I think either can provide the same second-half spark. The Colts watched 3D every week in practice last season, and liked him enough to keep him on the active roster all season and let Rhodes walk in FA despite a great stat-line in SB XLI.

Much as I love Edge, the Colts did benefit from getting younger/quicker/fresher at the position and that proved critical in their 06 postseason success, although I vehemently maintain that Edge didn't receive enough carries/touches in the postseason. Drafting Addai was also critical, as he can pass protect and catch the ball very well to make up ground on that front. Division rival Jacksonville made a similar improvement by drafting Mo Drew and pairing him with Fred Taylor for one of the league's best rushing attacks, and I think we'll probably see something similar this year with Tennessee in Brown/LenWhale/Henry although not near that level of success of course.

btw, glad to see the Giants linebackers back, BBD.
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Looks like Glenns retirement is for real...Some serious pressure on Ugoh now
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Rhodes as well. Not really a sick back, but had a good superbowl. I guess now it will be up to Addai.
And Rhodes would have won the MVP of the SB if they didn't give Peyton his lifetime achievement award. But anyway, I don't think the Colts really care who they have on defense, especially the back 7 besides Sanders. Didn't Dungy make a quote like "The further you are from the ball, the more expendable you are" on defense or something like that. Neither June or Harper are huge playmakers, so it's not that big of a deal. Tarik Glenn, though, is a huge deal.
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This shows how much vets hate training camp because this is pretty late in the offseason to retire.
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So, who is Will Smith going to face in he opener? :) Just kidding, no one is going to give us a chance to win anyway.

Anyway, the Colts just lost a great player. Glenn should have told the Colts he was considering retirement months ago.
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If Glenn had told the Colts months ago that he was retiring, what would that have changed?
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It probably would've changed their draft plans a little bit.. and their priorities in Free Agency would've likely changed.
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It probably would've changed their draft plans a little bit.. and their priorities in Free Agency would've likely changed.
I can't doubt that enough, quite honestly. Especially considering the team traded their 2008 1st round draft pick and a 07 4th round pick to trade up for a 1st round left tackle prospect (in their grading/scouting) in Ugoh anyways.
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And Rhodes would have won the MVP of the SB if they didn't give Peyton his lifetime achievement award. But anyway, I don't think the Colts really care who they have on defense, especially the back 7 besides Sanders. Didn't Dungy make a quote like "The further you are from the ball, the more expendable you are" on defense or something like that. Neither June or Harper are huge playmakers, so it's not that big of a deal. Tarik Glenn, though, is a huge deal.
LOL. Yeah I was rooting for Rhodes to get it acually. He worked hard and I thought played good enough to have that honor. But peyton is like MJ, in basketball. Sometimes you get bounces and things go your way just because of who you are and prior performances. I don't have a problem with it in general, but just thought Rhodes should have got it. If they didnt give it to either of them, than I'd be wondering whats going on.
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Originally Posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
LOL. Yeah I was rooting for Rhodes to get it acually. He worked hard and I thought played good enough to have that honor. But peyton is like MJ, in basketball. Sometimes you get bounces and things go your way just because of who you are and prior performances. I don't have a problem with it in general, but just thought Rhodes should have got it. If they didnt give it to either of them, than I'd be wondering whats going on.
Please never compare Peyton to MJ. MJ won 6 titles and actually played like an MVP in the playoffs/Finals. They never had to give MJ a pity Finals MVP.

But yes, I understand your point. Rhodes had an excellent game and deserved it, though I wasn't stunned when Peyton got it for the aforementioned reasons.
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