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Old 07-21-2007, 05:39 PM    (permalink
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It couldn't have been given to Rhodes and not Addai imo. If they wanted to go that route, they should have awarded Addai and Rhodes co-MVPs of the game.

But Manning made sense though, he did a great job in directing the offense and keeping the defense off the field, despite all of the early turnovers between both teams, and the threat of Manning to the Bears helped the Colts offense if anything.
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If Glenn had told the Colts months ago that he was retiring, what would that have changed?
They certainly could have at least benefited from adding some better veteran depth at tackle in free agency, because I can't imagine a choice between starting Ugoh or Charles Johnson for Week One is ideal for Indy.
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...and Bobby McCray, and Mario Williams (or is he a LE?), and Kyle Vanden Bosch (same?).
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forgot to mention..i wonder if their replacements can hold aswell as he does.
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Glenn most likely told the Cotls that he was thinking of retiring. I don't think its a concidence that they gave up next years #1 pick for a player that wasn't a 1st round talent and wouldn't contribute this year without the notion that Glenn wouldn't be there. Even if Glenn didn't tell them directly they likely heard that he was contemplating it and took a measure incase it was true.

For those who think they had 0 idea, what would they have done differently if they knew? There weren't alot of options aviable to them.
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Also, I do think that the Colts will use Charlie Johnson as a "TE" and just plant him next to Ugoh like they did at times last year with Glenn or Diem. No problem with that, but still Glenn would be nice to have back.

Oh well.

Also, Bill Polian (and the Colts) are not really into signing FAs. Vinateiri was a big one, but I believe Simon was a late - summer addition and that didn't work out great long term.

It's hard to tell who's the Colts biggest FA acquisition this year. John Navarre or Rick DeMulling.
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Glenn most likely told the Cotls that he was thinking of retiring. I don't think its a concidence that they gave up next years #1 pick for a player that wasn't a 1st round talent and wouldn't contribute this year without the notion that Glenn wouldn't be there. Even if Glenn didn't tell them directly they likely heard that he was contemplating it and took a measure incase it was true.

For those who think they had 0 idea, what would they have done differently if they knew? There weren't alot of options aviable to them, taking Ugoh was alot more than most people expected, given all their needs, and the fact they weren't in the habit of picking for the future like the Eagles are it was unlikely theyd start now.
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Also, I do think that the Colts will use Charlie Johnson as a "TE" and just plant him next to Ugoh like they did at times last year with Glenn or Diem. No problem with that, but still Glenn would be nice to have back.

Oh well.

Also, Bill Polian (and the Colts) are not really into signing FAs. Vinateiri was a big one, but I believe Simon was a late - summer addition and that didn't work out great long term.

It's hard to tell who's the Colts biggest FA acquisition this year. John Navarre or Rick DeMulling.
Colts aren't gonna make a lot of FA acquisitions; they made the call and decided that keeping their corps together is more important than the little guys, and I believe they're right. Peyton, Marvin, Reggie, and Dwight all have big contracts.

Obviously, the Bolts are going to be in the same boat by the end of 2009, when the contracts run out on Merriman, Rivers, Castillo, McNeill, and Jackson.
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Glenn most likely told the Cotls that he was thinking of retiring. I don't think its a concidence that they gave up next years #1 pick for a player that wasn't a 1st round talent and wouldn't contribute this year without the notion that Glenn wouldn't be there. Even if Glenn didn't tell them directly they likely heard that he was contemplating it and took a measure incase it was true.

For those who think they had 0 idea, what would they have done differently if they knew? There weren't alot of options aviable to them, taking Ugoh was alot more than most people expected, given all their needs, and the fact they weren't in the habit of picking for the future like the Eagles are it was unlikely theyd start now.
To you he may not have been a 1st - round talent, but BP said that he had 18 picks valued as 1st - rounders and Ugoh was one of them.

They wouldn't have done anything different. It's not in the Colts to either pick up a high valued free agent, trade up in the draft and you hardly see the NFL trade.
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Merriman and Rivers no doubt will have their contracts renewed long before the 2009 season comes to close. McNeill shouldn't be a problem either considering how important the LT spot is and the franchise tag does exist for them. Castillo and Jackson probably won't demand as much money as the former 3 players, but they are expendable even though they are quite good young players. Letting guys like that walk would help the team if they were in salary cap trouble, but McNeill/Merriman/Rivers are players needed on SD for the greater part of their respective careers.
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Honestly though, regarding Glenn, it is a big loss for them right now, but it won't impact their passing game like it would most teams who lose their franchise LT suddenly. Ugoh I expect will be sufficient enought to block for the very short time it takes Peyton to throw the ball. I haven't seen a QB with a quicker, surer release than Manning. And seeing as that Ugoh is a mauler in the run game the only way it will hurt their run blocking is the inexperience and rookie mistakes Ugoh is bound to make on the left side. The future of their O-Line is fine I'm sure, Indy is excellent at developing players, or at least they must be since the only starter on either the entire offensive/defensive units not drafted by Indy is Booger McFarland I believe.
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Should be interesting to see Ugoh against Will Smith in Week One. :)
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Colts aren't gonna make a lot of FA acquisitions; they made the call and decided that keeping their corps together is more important than the little guys, and I believe they're right. Peyton, Marvin, Reggie, and Dwight all have big contracts.

Obviously, the Bolts are going to be in the same boat by the end of 2009, when the contracts run out on Merriman, Rivers, Castillo, McNeill, and Jackson.
Rivers' contract runs through the 2010 season. One of the niches for not playing right away, his contract automatically includes another year.
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forgot to mention..i wonder if their replacements can hold aswell as he does.
Probably as good as Matt Light does against Dwight Freeney. It seems like both O-lines get away with a lot when the Colts play the Patriots.

And I doubt Ugoh starts week 1, if he does thats great, it means he is THAT good. Charlie Johnson held up extremely well when asked to perform, I think he'll perform just fine to start with. IF Glenn decides to retire, I'd expect to see the Colts use more 3 or 4 WR sets to spread out defenses.

The Colts couldn't have drafted better for this situation, a slot reciever who can catch the quick slant and a future LT, both with Bill Polian 1st round grades.
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Unquestionably DeMulling. He was playing at what many thought was a Pro Bowl level for the Colts in 2004 prior to getting injured.
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Honestly though, regarding Glenn, it is a big loss for them right now, but it won't impact their passing game like it would most teams who lose their franchise LT suddenly. Ugoh I expect will be sufficient enought to block for the very short time it takes Peyton to throw the ball. I haven't seen a QB with a quicker, surer release than Manning. And seeing as that Ugoh is a mauler in the run game the only way it will hurt their run blocking is the inexperience and rookie mistakes Ugoh is bound to make on the left side. The future of their O-Line is fine I'm sure, Indy is excellent at developing players, or at least they must be since the only starter on either the entire offensive/defensive units not drafted by Indy is Booger McFarland I believe.
This will effect Peyton. Don't kid yourself. Remeber him against the Steelers two years ago when he didn't get good protection.
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Merriman and Rivers no doubt will have their contracts renewed long before the 2009 season comes to close. McNeill shouldn't be a problem either considering how important the LT spot is and the franchise tag does exist for them. Castillo and Jackson probably won't demand as much money as the former 3 players, but they are expendable even though they are quite good young players. Letting guys like that walk would help the team if they were in salary cap trouble, but McNeill/Merriman/Rivers are players needed on SD for the greater part of their respective careers.
Oh I'm sure we'll get those guys locked up; my point was that it will end up costing us the ability to pick up free agents/resign other role players.
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This will effect Peyton. Don't kid yourself. Remeber him against the Steelers two years ago when he didn't get good protection.

Did you watch that game? That had little to nothing to do with Glenn, the Colts were pulling both their guards out past the tackles to block the perimeter pass rush and the Steelers were just blitzing down the middle.
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Did you watch that game? That had little to nothing to do with Glenn, the Colts were pulling both their guards out past the tackles to block the perimeter pass rush and the Steelers were just blitzing down the middle.
I dunno. It was two years ago. The one play that stays in my head is Porter getting Peyton late in the game untouched from the left side. Either way, no matter how good your QB is, having a rookie LT instead of the Pro Bowl-esqu veteran that you are used to will effect your performance. Especially earlier in the season.
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Did you watch that game? That had little to nothing to do with Glenn, the Colts were pulling both their guards out past the tackles to block the perimeter pass rush and the Steelers were just blitzing down the middle.
What? Is that even possible? I have never heard of guards being pulled to pass block.
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:05 PM    (permalink
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What? Is that even possible? I have never heard of guards being pulled to pass block.
Yeah, that's what they were trying to do. Unfortunately for the Colts, the Steelers' pass rushers were too fast for the Guards. Hence why Peyton Manning criticized the pass protection. That statement after the game was misconstrued. Rather than criticizing his players, he realized that they were put in a position to fail.
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Yeah, that's what they were trying to do. Unfortunately for the Colts, the Steelers' pass rushers were too fast for the Guards. Hence why Peyton Manning criticized the pass protection. That statement after the game was misconstrued. Rather than criticizing his players, he realized that they were put in a position to fail.
That's a terrible coaching mistake. It's fundamental that you block the inside first.
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