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Old 07-22-2007, 04:27 PM    (permalink
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The Titans were one of the bottom 5 worst teams last year statistically and they decided to not retain Travis Henry (their best offensive player) and would have been picking in the top 10 this year if not for some crazy bounces that went their way down the stretch.
I don't think we were in the bottom 5 statistically. In rushing we were Top 5, but passing we were bottom 5. So that made us about middle of the pack. We had one of the worst defenses, but only statistically. We had the "Bend but not break" approach. And Travis Henry was an important cog in out offense, but he was our second most important player on offense. Vince is our most important. Who would you rather want? Kerry Collins and Travis Henry, or Vince Young and LenDale White?

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Give it some time, if VY ends up being a Super Bowl winning QB then good for him, but alot rides on his team, if he doesn't have a good team then he wont win anything.
Vince does need a good team, but that can be said for any QB. But, I don't think he needs a great team to succeed. He proved this last year.


Anyway, Vince still needs to mature as a passer. He has good awareness and great running abilities. If he improves his passing abilities, and our GM does his job well, then I can see us being a serious contendor in about 5 years. After the Peyton Dynasty has left the AFC South.
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Well, no homerism there for sure. You know how great McNabb's 1st year as a passer was? Arguably worse than VY's 1st year. I'd say VY is a better runner....we'll see about the passing. No, you can't get bent out of shape about that comparison at this stage.

VY does need to improve as a passer though, and he got better as the season went on last year. But the WR core could be bad this year, and he would benifit tremendously if he had a Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, TO, Steve Smith, etc.

VY has some serious play making abilities....kinda like the man he replaced, Steve McNair. Now when Steve had a very good team around him, he got close, but didn't get it. If the Titans can get another good team around their playmaking QB, it can happen. A little too hard to guess at this point though ;)
McNabb has had one of the worst wideout corps throughout his career, so don't give me that ****. I do expect Young to be very, very good but you can't use the WR thing if you're comparing McNabb to Young.
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[quote=TitanHope;525282]Who would you rather want? Kerry Collins and Travis Henry, or Vince Young and LenDale White?
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Matt Leinart and Maurice Jones Drew :).
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in all truthiness, i kinda wish we'd tried to trade our entire draft to get calvin johnson. we wouldve won a super bowl within the next three years with a VY to CJ combo.
I really doubt that. The team has a lot more to improve upon than just WR and it's not like CJ is guaranteed to be a pro bowl-type player within his first three years.
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When he will throw the ball we can debate this.Otherwise this thread is pointless.A better thread would be when will Vince throw the ball.08,09,10?
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When he will throw the ball we can debate this.Otherwise this thread is pointless.A better thread would be when will Vince throw the ball.08,09,10?
i think 2200 yards and 12 tds is decent for a rookie.
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Not in the near future. The Titans were one of the bottom 5 worst teams last year statistically and they decided to not retain Travis Henry (their best offensive player) and would have been picking in the top 10 this year if not for some crazy bounces that went their way down the stretch.
What crazy bounces? Yeah Kiwi made a big bonehead play, but there wasn't just a lot of lucky stuff going on. There were big plays, many by VY. Some by Chris Hope and Bulluck, some by Pac Man.

I think TitanHope covered the rest of the ideas of what the stats say about the Titans last year. It's like the Transformers, more than mets the eye.
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McNabb has had one of the worst wideout corps throughout his career, so don't give me that ****. I do expect Young to be very, very good but you can't use the WR thing if you're comparing McNabb to Young.
Don't give you what ****? I never said he had a great WR core, or even avg. Now, look how he performed when he had a stud WR....his best year ever. VY would look a lot better with a top WR core too.

You think VY had a good WR core last year? He didn't. So I'll stick by my point, after the 1st year, no one can say it's stupid to compare the two.
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My response exaxtly, and I don't see him ever getting away from them, so never, and it wouldn't be his fault at all.
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What crazy bounces? Yeah Kiwi made a big bonehead play, but there wasn't just a lot of lucky stuff going on. There were big plays, many by VY. Some by Chris Hope and Bulluck, some by Pac Man.
Thats true. They had some games that they barely won, but they also had games that they barely lost: The 1st Colts game and Ravens game come immediately to mind.

But, they never blew anyone out and had more close games than not. So that leads people who didn't watch the games to think that they got lucky.
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What they need to do in Tennessee is build a very strong defense and then get a RB who is dominant (they'll find out if LenDale is that guy soon enough). Make their team built on defense and the run game and then Vince will lead them to the super bowl. He's a winner, but without a really good defense they won't win any kind of championship. The best way for them to do this is to get a great defensive line in place like they got in Chicago, New England, San Diego, Carolina, and Jacksonville.
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Im slowly becoming a Vince Young fan, he has that "it" factor you look for, but come on, let the kid throw more TDs than INTs before making a thread like this. The Vince Young hype machine is starting to get annoying.
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I agree BBD I love his "it" factor as you say, I think he will develop very good.
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VYisaGod, so i will say he will win the next six superbowls...........
You're in denial. You know JCisAGod. And even if they were both Gods(possible), Cutler is Zeus and Vince Young is some crappy God like Hermes.
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Projecting a player's SB wins in their career is pretty pointless.
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Projecting a player's SB wins in their career is pretty pointless.
its all speculation, which this whole site is pretty much built on since its an nfl draft website.
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Im slowly becoming a Vince Young fan, he has that "it" factor you look for, but come on, let the kid throw more TDs than INTs before making a thread like this. The Vince Young hype machine is starting to get annoying.
I've liked Young since mid-2005, even though he did beat the Buckeyes and ruined their season. He is more fun to watch than any QB since Favre during his prime. His TD/INT ratio is a bit overated, b/c if you watch him you realize that his rushing TDs are just as good if not better than his passing ones, so if he does throw 15/12 in year and rushes for 8 more it's a little different than if he didn't have those rushing scores. And unlike Mike Vick, Young can actually throw a frozen rope that has some accuracy to it instead of the pass landing near the receiver's feet or being 5 yards behind.
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He'll never win one.
i just think he is too much of a winner not to win one... it may not be with the titans... he may leave in the free agency and go to a team that needs a playmaker... and he has a shot.. but on this team... not for ahwile
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its all speculation, which this whole site is pretty much built on since its an nfl draft website.
But it's speculation with little basis. You can speculate about a team next season because there's something to go off of. Predicting if a team will win the Super Bowl (not just if they'll be good or not) to 10 years in the future is shooting in the dark.
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He can't carry the Titans like he carried the Longhorns at times while he was at Texas. If the Titans get their act together as a franchise I can see him winning one. If they continue to have bad off seasons like they had this year I do not see him ever winning one unless he changes teams - and if he chooses correctly it could be a legitimate possibility.
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What they need to do in Tennessee is build a very strong defense and then get a RB who is dominant (they'll find out if LenDale is that guy soon enough). Make their team built on defense and the run game and then Vince will lead them to the super bowl. He's a winner, but without a really good defense they won't win any kind of championship. The best way for them to do this is to get a great defensive line in place like they got in Chicago, New England, San Diego, Carolina, and Jacksonville.
That's exactly how I want this team built, and how you'd think Fisher would like it. Something similar to the 99-03 teams.
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Well only 1 QB a year wins a superbowl and 31 others dont. That means every year there is a roughly a 3% chance its your QB to win. Right now the Titans dont have enough in my eyes so im going with the 97% saying he doesnt win it this year. 10 years down the road its nothing but a guess, so im going to say never.
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and would have been picking in the top 10 this year if not for some crazy bounces that went their way down the stretch.
LOL! thats the funniest thing ive read in some time...yea they just crazy bounced their way into the playoff hunt the final week of the season, not like they really won any of those games or anything


and I will add Vince does need weapons, but he doesnt need them to the extent that everyone thinks...look at the offense last year, it was horrible when collins was playing, then all of a sudden people start making plays towards the end of the year, its not just coincidence
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I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.
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LOL! thats the funniest thing ive read in some time...yea they just crazy bounced their way into the playoff hunt the final week of the season, not like they really won any of those games or anything


and I will add Vince does need weapons, but he doesnt need them to the extent that everyone thinks...look at the offense last year, it was horrible when collins was playing, then all of a sudden people start making plays towards the end of the year, its not just coincidence
It's not coincidence, but Vince Young > Kerry Collins. So obviously there's gonna be some improvement.
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This thread is a perfect example of what makes Pacman Jones' stupidity so tragic.

With both VY and Pacman on the roster, the Titans had an elite playmaker on both sides of the ball. Every single time the ball was snapped, the Titans had a game-altering presence on the field.

Moreover, there was a remarkable symbiosis between the two players....each had a knack for capitalizing on momentum created by the other. Moreover, when one struggled, the other would step up in spectacular fashion.

Both VY and Pacman are incredibly gifted athletes, and playmakers of the highest order. Each is capable of almost singlehandedly turning games around, and turning L's into W's.

Having both of them on the roster essentially adds 4-6 extra wins to the schedule. This year, they took a team with 4-12 talent, and turned them into an 8-8 team. They could just as easily spell the difference between an 8-8 also ran and a first-round bye....or instead of a wildcard berth, they win the conference championship. That's what playmakers do....they make all the difference.

But thanks to the stupidity of Pacman Jones, it appears that we may never find out. Assuming the Titans continue to solidify their roster, VY and Pacman could turn this team into a legitimate Super Bowl contender within 2-3 years....possibly sooner.

But if Jones can't get his act together, it could take twice that long to build a championship-caliber roster....and it might not happen at all.
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