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07-08/08-09 2 2.35%
09-10/10-11 2 2.35%
11-12/12-13 8 9.41%
13-14/14-15 7 8.24%
15-16/16-17 3 3.53%
2017+ 1 1.18%
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:01 AM    (permalink
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This thread is a perfect example of what makes Pacman Jones' stupidity so tragic.

With both VY and Pacman on the roster, the Titans had an elite playmaker on both sides of the ball. Every single time the ball was snapped, the Titans had a game-altering presence on the field.

Moreover, there was a remarkable symbiosis between the two players....each had a knack for capitalizing on momentum created by the other. Moreover, when one struggled, the other would step up in spectacular fashion.

Both VY and Pacman are incredibly gifted athletes, and playmakers of the highest order. Each is capable of almost singlehandedly turning games around, and turning L's into W's.

Having both of them on the roster essentially adds 4-6 extra wins to the schedule. This year, they took a team with 4-12 talent, and turned them into an 8-8 team. They could just as easily spell the difference between an 8-8 also ran and a first-round bye....or instead of a wildcard berth, they win the conference championship. That's what playmakers do....they make all the difference.

But thanks to the stupidity of Pacman Jones, it appears that we may never find out. Assuming the Titans continue to solidify their roster, VY and Pacman could turn this team into a legitimate Super Bowl contender within 2-3 years....possibly sooner.

But if Jones can't get his act together, it could take twice that long to build a championship-caliber roster....and it might not happen at all.
thats what my dad is always telling me, and even though i get tired of hearing it he's right. the titans just dont have any playmakers besides VY now that pac is suspended.
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I voted never, if people like Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, & Warren Moon can't win one, then I'm not betting on VY making it
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If you put Vince Young on the Lions, we'd win a Superbowl in the next 3 Years!
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at least one person thinks vince young will at least take the titans to the playoffs this year...


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10263285

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Old 07-23-2007, 03:31 AM    (permalink
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I don't see why people are already calling Vince a "WINNER!"

He's played LESS than a full season and didn't even do that great. How can you decide he's a winner already?
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I don't see why people are already calling Vince a "WINNER!"

He's played LESS than a full season and didn't even do that great. How can you decide he's a winner already?
You apparently didn't see many Titans games, and are judging him on the basis of his pedestrian passing statistics. Big mistake.

When the game is on the line, the guy makes plays. When he's on the field, the Titans usually win. W/L records rarely lie.

And in the end, winning is the only thing that matters.

Of course, it also helps that he's one of the most gifted athletes in the game, and arguably the single most exciting player in the NFL. But his greatest assett is his leadership, and the ability to make the players around him better; unfortunately, there's not a column on the stat sheet for intangibles, so everybody discounts them in favor of measurables.....and they end up missing the big picture.

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I don't see why people are already calling Vince a "WINNER!"

He's played LESS than a full season and didn't even do that great. How can you decide he's a winner already?
He was a winner in college and a winner in his 1st season. He has the "it" factor. Playmaker who isn't afraid to step up and take on the responsibility of winning or losing a game.
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Lets not forget Vince was a rookie QB in the NFL, either. Sometimes I think people don't fully appreciate the reality of that. It's not exactly a prerequisite associated with even effective impacts in the history of the NFL, let alone game changing impacts. He was the definition of a winner in college, and coming to the NFL on a poor team as a rookie was always going to test that to its extreme. Relative to what we've seen by rookie QB's of the past and the circumstances he was faced with, he definitely carried over this mentality successfully, but at the same time, he is human, and the NFL did get the better of him on occasions - the 1st Jags game, the final Pats game with the playoffs on the line (even if it seemed very unlikely during the game the Bengals and Broncos would lose that same day).

One thing I feel people need to remember is, this time last year, VY sitting for 2, perhaps even an unprecedented 3 years was a very possible reality in a lot of people's minds around here and even amongst the NFL expert community. He could have easily skipped this season entirely and the critics wouldn't have their precious statistics to judge over. Because he did start early, does that mean his judgment should start earlier too? The same people who were ready to give him a few years riding the bench are seemingly the same people who are whiling to jump on statistics of his rookie year, like they mean anything at all. The vast majority of great NFL QB's who played in their rookie year did quite similarly to VY statistically - some worse, some better, and most not even close to the scrambling.

Sometimes, I just feel people are terribly eager to shoot VY down. Going off some comments (not necessarily in this thread, but in general), you'd expect him to be in his 4th season. But then sometimes I get the impression VY could win a Superbowl in classic comeback fashion, and some people would criticize him for allowing the team to even get into a position of needing a comeback to begin with, so I guess I should just get used to it :)
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Young is a bum and there's no way he'll ever win a Super Bowl. Everybody is drinking the cool aid on this bum like everybody drank the cool aid on Vick.
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Young is a bum and there's no way he'll ever win a Super Bowl. Everybody is drinking the cool aid on this bum like everybody drank the cool aid on Vick.
Nice opinion. Next time try backing it up with even one piece of evidence.
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Vince Young will never win a super bowl with the Titans. In a few years he may lead them to the AFC championship game or possibly even the Super Bowl, but i don't think the Titans as a whole can look forward to a Super Bowl anytime in the near future.
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Nice opinion. Next time try backing it up with even one piece of evidence.
4 minutes it took for a sarcastic remark. New record good job.

Ok last year the teams he played against: good teams with good defenses Chargers L,Cowboys L,Colts L W (bad Defense though),Jaguars L W the win vs Jags though he did jack the Titans Defense won that game,Ravens L, Eagles W, Giants W, Patriots L

5-6 his record was against good teams. Two of those wins are teams he won't be playing against for another 4 years. One of those wins was where his Defense won it not him.
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4 minutes it took for a sarcastic remark. New record good job.

Ok last year the teams he played against: good teams with good defenses Chargers L,Cowboys L,Colts L W (bad Defense though),Jaguars L W the win vs Jags though he did jack the Titans Defense won that game,Ravens L, Eagles W, Giants W, Patriots L

5-6 his record was against good teams. Two of those wins are teams he won't be playing against for another 4 years. One of those wins was where his Defense won it not him.
So he's never going to win a Super Bowl because he was 5-6 against good teams with a subpar supporting cast in his rookie season?
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So he's never going to win a Super Bowl because he was 5-6 against good teams with a subpar supporting cast in his rookie season?
Yep and the Titans schedule is only going to get tougher this year. Just glacing through their schedule they look like they'll be going about 7-9.
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4 minutes it took for a sarcastic remark. New record good job.

Ok last year the teams he played against: good teams with good defenses Chargers L,Cowboys L,Colts L W (bad Defense though),Jaguars L W the win vs Jags though he did jack the Titans Defense won that game,Ravens L, Eagles W, Giants W, Patriots L

5-6 his record was against good teams. Two of those wins are teams he won't be playing against for another 4 years. One of those wins was where his Defense won it not him.
you cant count the chargers game against him cause he didnt start that one. and the ravens he did a smash up job against that D, and we wouldve won if our o-line hadnt let them block that kick so you really cant put those two on him.
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Yep and the Titans schedule is only going to get tougher this year. Just glacing through their schedule they look like they'll be going about 7-9.
Nobody is saying Young is going to win a championship next year...
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Ok IDC all I'm saying is he won't this year or any other year in his Career.
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Ok IDC all I'm saying is he won't this year or any other year in his Career.
Please save us all some time and don't post unless you're going to at least attempt to give some justification to your opinions.
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Please save us all some time and don't post unless you're going to at least attempt to give some justification to your opinions.
I just did 20 minutes ago. Here's more Stats he had the third worst QB Rating in the League. He had the worst Comp. % in the League.
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I just did 20 minutes ago. Here's more Stats he had the third worst QB Rating in the League. He had the worst Comp. % in the League.
In his rookie season after leaving college a year early. Yet, he still managed to start for the Titans and post a respectable record with not much of a supporting cast, especially offensively.
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In his rookie season after leaving college a year early. Yet, he still managed to start for the Titans and post a respectable record with not much of a supporting cast, especially offensively.
He had a Halfback who had 1211 Rushing Yards. He had a good WR in Bennett who had 737 Yards and 16.0 Receiving Average. His Stats we're low because his QB couldn't throw the ball.
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He had a Halfback who had 1211 Rushing Yards. He had a good WR in Bennett who had 737 Yards and 16.0 Receiving Average. His Stats we're low because his QB couldn't throw the ball.
When did the Titans turn their season around and switch from being terrible to almost making the playoffs? When Vince Young started. Is he a great passer at this point in his career? No. It's his rookie season though and his weapons are far from amazing. Bennett is a solid receiver but not a legitimate #1 in most people's eyes. Other than him, there is nobody. The Titans had a solid running game but nothing spectacular. Most of the offensive load was carried by Vince Young and he did a great job.
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They turned their Season around when they played the weak part of their schedule. Plus, their wins were because of Travis Henry. Sure Young had a couple of good games but it pretty much was Henry getting about 120 yards 2 or three times and a couple of 80 yard performances on limited carries.
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They turned their Season around when they played the weak part of their schedule. Plus, their wins were because of Travis Henry. Sure Young had a couple of good games but it pretty much was Henry getting about 120 yards 2 or three times and a couple of 80 yard performances on limited carries.
The easy part of their schedule where they played 3 playoff teams (Eagles, Giants, Colts) in a row? Henry had 27 yards against the Giants and 37 against the Jaguars, not to mention only 93 against the Colts terrible run defence. He was good, but Young was the reason for the turnaround.
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You can be anti-Vince Young and think he'll never end being a successful quarterback in the NFL, but to think that he wasn't the biggest reason for what the Titans did last year is pure ignorance.
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