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Old 07-23-2007, 06:59 PM    (permalink
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Beuerlein had a couple of good years in Carolina..............
Yeah, he even had 1 Pro Bowl year... Still never became the QB he was hyped up to be. ...and even if Schaub does that, he's won't make the trade out of ATL regrettable. It's gonna take a helluva career to make it regrettable.
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Well, you figure we made ourselves in position (position being key word) to land Landry/ Peterson/ Brown, landed a first round calibre prospect in Justin Blalock, and will have another second round pick next year. We should be OK IMO as far as the Schaub trade. I was never too impressed with him.
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*Grabs a beer and some popcorn* cause its going to be a hell of a ride.........
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I wonder if Vick will take down others with him. You can't make me believe that not a single one of his teammates knew what he was doing. Of course they knew. I wouldn't be surprised if the Falcons Management knew. I wouldn't be surprised if their owner knew! Vick might just be the first domino. Once he starts sinking, he'll be trying to grab everyone else as well... my guess.
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I wonder if Vick will take down others with him. You can't make me believe that not a single one of his teammates knew what he was doing. Of course they knew. I wouldn't be surprised if the Falcons Management knew. I wouldn't be surprised if their owner knew! Vick might just be the first domino. Once he starts sinking, he'll be trying to grab everyone else as well... my guess.
Well if we're going down that path then other players from other teams had to know, hell even other sports. This could have the potential to be a Pandora's Box disaster for sports in general.
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Well if we're going down that path then other players from other teams had to know, hell even other sports. This could have the potential to be a Pandora's Box disaster for sports in general.
This and the NBA ref scandal could do a lot of damage to this nation's sports.
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I'm willing to bet that he's already played his last down in his NFL Career. What he's doing is best for the game. I'm happy to see that he has the respect to do this. Props to him for that.

ATL should go after Culpepper... if he's still out there...
I agree with you too. I don't think we'll see Vick again in the NFL.
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Ya, but we will still be way above all other country's leagues. Haha, look at the Italian soccer league. They were freaking rigging games.
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For the Falcons sake they better hope he is involved to a lesser degree, takes a plea bargin for reduced/ little jail time, public image is slightly restored, and he returns.

I hate the thought of not winning for another 3-5 years or more. This team has a ton of potential needs, tons of changes going on on defense and in coaching philosophy, the Mike Vick incident(s), etc etc. If Vick is done with us then we take a QB high next year. That alone probably delays winning for 3 years, because that is usually when a QB finally starts to hit his prime.

Even worse is if a QB fails. You waste 3 years trying to develope him, fire the coach you employed after you fired the last one, draft another QB and hire another coach hoping for success. Detroit Lions for example (Steve Mariucci and Joey Harrington, fails and trys again with Rod Merinelli, stop-gap Jon Kitna and young and seemingly promising Drew Stanton).

On the other hand you have Vick, who while not amazing is above average and has potential when paired with a 'QB mastermind' in Petrino. You have no hole at the most important position, and with your top 5 pick the year without Vick you add some pieces to the puzzle (Jake Long/ Darren McFadden/ DeSean Jackson/ Sam Baker/ Barry Richardson/ Calais Campbell/ Kenny Phillips, etc.). I want to win.
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Good move, whether it is the inital move or the only move. Vick at training camp would cause alot of unnecessary tension. A training camp atmosphere is much closer and intimate for the fans, and much less security. To subject an otherwise normal training camp to hordes of media coverage, excess security personnel, and protesters (and, if you will, "con"testers) would be just too much.
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For the Falcons sake they better hope he is involved to a lesser degree, takes a plea bargin for reduced/ little jail time, public image is slightly restored, and he returns.

I hate the thought of not winning for another 3-5 years or more. This team has a ton of potential needs, tons of changes going on on defense and in coaching philosophy, the Mike Vick incident(s), etc etc. If Vick is done with us then we take a QB high next year. That alone probably delays winning for 3 years, because that is usually when a QB finally starts to hit his prime.

Even worse is if a QB fails. You waste 3 years trying to develope him, fire the coach you employed after you fired the last one, draft another QB and hire another coach hoping for success. Detroit Lions for example (Steve Mariucci and Joey Harrington, fails and trys again with Rod Merinelli, stop-gap Jon Kitna and young and seemingly promising Drew Stanton).

On the other hand you have Vick, who while not amazing is above average and has potential when paired with a 'QB mastermind' in Petrino. You have no hole at the most important position, and with your top 5 pick the year without Vick you add some pieces to the puzzle (Jake Long/ Darren McFadden/ DeSean Jackson/ Sam Baker/ Barry Richardson/ Calais Campbell/ Kenny Phillips, etc.). I want to win.
I'm not going to express outrage over the fact that you want to overlook these off the field transgressions, I'm merely going to suggest that its best to not have high hopes for this year for the Falcons.
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Yup. I really have no problem with this. If he said this for the season I would, but not now.
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sad news for us Vick supporters but maybe the best thing considering the distraction he would be
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I'm not going to express outrage over the fact that you want to overlook these off the field transgressions, I'm merely going to suggest that its best to not have high hopes for this year for the Falcons.
Oh, no doubt. I have little to no expectation for this year. Hence the reason I said if Vick comes back we will have a top 5 pick to join him. I expect a 3-13 to 4-12 season.
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I saw a post on another board that made some sense, not sure if it's true or not, but whatever.


By suspending Vick from the camp, doesn't that free Vick from team punishment? If he were to miss Falcons camp, wouldn't the team have to punish him in someway for not making a camp, that I'm sure would be mandatory in his contract.
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I saw a post on another board that made some sense, not sure if it's true or not, but whatever.


By suspending Vick from the camp, doesn't that free Vick from team punishment? If he were to miss Falcons camp, wouldn't the team have to punish him in someway for not making a camp, that I'm sure would be mandatory in his contract.
I'm pretty sure the league's ruling takes precedent in this matter.
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I know, but if he missed camp, wouldn't the Falcons suspend him for the camp, and fine him for not making it when it's in his contract? So basically he would have not been in the camp no matter what, but this saves him from fines and PETA harassment, is what I'm getting at.
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Roger Goodell's name has been spoken/seen in print FAR too much this offseason.

Goodell on Vick:
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it is not goodell's fault that he took over the NFL admist it's worsts cases of players being criminal...these guys are grown ass men and deserve whatever is coming to them...PacMan right on down to Vick...

by the way, someone a few posts up said something about Vick taking a plea bargin for reduced time...that **** doesn't happen in Fed cases...they are out for blood and knowing how big of icon Vick is...doesn't make it any better...
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What has either been convicted of? If they've been convicted of something, wouldn't they have their respective sentences to serve? Wouldn't that be their punishment?
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it is not goodell's fault that he took over the NFL admist it's worsts cases of players being criminal...these guys are grown ass men and deserve whatever is coming to them...PacMan right on down to Vick...

by the way, someone a few posts up said something about Vick taking a plea bargin for reduced time...that **** doesn't happen in Fed cases...they are out for blood and knowing how big of icon Vick is...doesn't make it any better...
I think LT's drug problems along with the trails and tribulations of the 90's Cowboys were bad situations that may have dwarfed these incidents.
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I think LT's drug problems along with the trails and tribulations of the 90's Cowboys were bad situations that may have dwarfed these incidents.
Exactly. If you were to look up the statistics, I'm sure that players aren't getting in trouble at a higher rate than they were in the 80s or 90s. It's just that we live in an age of sensationalism, where the media is super focused on player arrests because that's what people love to hear about.
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Exactly. If you were to look up the statistics, I'm sure that players aren't getting in trouble at a higher rate than they were in the 80s or 90s. It's just that we live in an age of sensationalism, where the media is super focused on player arrests because that's what people love to hear about.
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it is not goodell's fault that he took over the NFL admist it's worsts cases of players being criminal...these guys are grown ass men and deserve whatever is coming to them...PacMan right on down to Vick...

by the way, someone a few posts up said something about Vick taking a plea bargin for reduced time...that **** doesn't happen in Fed cases...they are out for blood and knowing how big of icon Vick is...doesn't make it any better...
So Vick deserves to be punished even if he is innocent? That's really innovative thinking.

The Feds would be crazy to not look into a plea bargain. Vick has the best lawyers money can buy and has the ability to beat this charge. Prosecutors are almost always willing to give some sort of plea bargain because it saves time, resources, and eliminates the chance of the defendant beating the charge.
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