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Old 07-24-2007, 09:17 PM    (permalink
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He was talking if the NFL suspended him and he was found innocent.
Vick innocent??? It's more likely that Lindsey Blowhan goes clean.


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He was talking if the NFL suspended him and he was found innocent.
the nfl has the right to suspend any player they believe has broken one of their policies...and clearly mike vick's actions over the past however many months have been detrimental to the team...which is a basis for suspension...also, someone mentioned it previously, illegal dogfighting is also a form of gambling which in today's modern era of sports is a HUGE no-no...I love everyone who owns a Vick jersey seems to be dismissing the fact that Mike Vick whether or not he personally killed any dogs was the ringleader of this whole thing...just because he makes close to a 100 million dollars does not make him above the law...
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the nfl has the right to suspend any player they believe has broken one of their policies...and clearly mike vick's actions over the past however many months have been detrimental to the team...which is a basis for suspension...also, someone mentioned it previously, illegal dogfighting is also a form of gambling which in today's modern era of sports is a HUGE no-no...I love everyone who owns a Vick jersey seems to be dismissing the fact that Mike Vick whether or not he personally killed any dogs was the ringleader of this whole thing...just because he makes close to a 100 million dollars does not make him above the law...


A first time offender who gets suspended before he is found guilty in a court of law? Then he is found innocent, and he has lost all of his sponsers, and been destroyed by the media. The NFL would be sued beyond belief. Vick's lawyers would have an absoulute field day as they take MILLIONS from the NFL.
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Vick innocent??? It's more likely that Lindsey Blowhan goes clean.


I honestly have no idea how you can say for sure Vick is guilty without even hearing, or seeing what the defense has to offer.
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A first time offender who gets suspended before he is found guilty in a court of law? Then he is found innocent, and he has lost all of his sponsers, and been destroyed by the media. The NFL would be sued beyond belief. Vick's lawyers would have an absoulute field day as they take MILLIONS from the NFL.
Why? They didn't terminate his employment, just suspended him from active duty, which under the law, both statutory and common, is perfectly fine ;)

Vick's lawyers won't have a leg to stand on.

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Why? They didn't terminate his employment, just suspended him from active duty, which under the law, both statutory and common, is perfectly fine ;)

Vick's lawyers won't have a leg to stand on.

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You cannot suspend somebody without pay unless you have just cause, just like you can't terminate their employment without just cause.
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Just cause in this case is a federal indictment. Besides which, the NFL isn't necessarily suspending him, since he hasn't been suspended for any games. He's only been asked not to attend training camp.

That's like someone saying to you, don't come into the office, work from home till this mess is sorted....
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Don't let the door hit your dog fighting, herpes giving, jewelry smuggling, game blowing ass on the way out Michael. I don't want to hear any bullcrap about how he is innocent. Enough is enough. He gets into trouble every ****ing year and nothing comes of it. Go look at the footage and pictures of dog fighting and tell me he doesn't deserve to go to prison.
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Don't let the door hit your dog fighting, herpes giving, jewelry smuggling, game blowing ass on the way out Michael. I don't want to hear any bullcrap about how he is innocent. Enough is enough. He gets into trouble every ****ing year and nothing comes of it. Go look at the footage and pictures of dog fighting and tell me he doesn't deserve to go to prison.
That's one of the more ignorant statements I have ever seen. Unless you are in possession of exclusive footage of Michael Vick actually fighting dogs. Since when are we living in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany or Saddam's Iraq? Where mere conjecture leads to imprisonment.
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There were 4 corroborating witnesses that are featured i the indictment, how many do you want.

Source for the above, SI.com
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All I want is a jury to convict him. The odds are he will be.
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All I want is a jury to convict him. The odds are he will be.

I would have to think the Feds have some, but a money trail, or some kind of evidence would be nice. I wouldn't put a helluva lot of stock in 4 of Vick's thug friends.
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Really, are 4 friends of an athlete with minimal credibility really going to help convict that same athlete of a federal crime? I would hope the feds have something tangible.
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You cannot suspend somebody without pay unless you have just cause, just like you can't terminate their employment without just cause.
police officers get suspended all the time before they are proven innocent or guilty, this would be no different. obviously vick has been indicted so he's being accused of wrong doing, and they are simply asking him not to come into work without everything being sorted out first, same as police officers. i don't think it's a big deal and wouldn't be offended if he was booted for the year without being charged, this is bad for the league no matter what the outcome.
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"Falcons owner Arthur Blank said the team wanted to suspend Vick for four games, the maximum penalty a team can assess a player, but the NFL asked him to wait. Instead, Blank has told his embattled player to focus on his legal problems, not football."

Blank sure is pissed off. The NFL is handling this correctly so far.
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police officers get suspended all the time before they are proven innocent or guilty, this would be no different. obviously vick has been indicted so he's being accused of wrong doing, and they are simply asking him not to come into work without everything being sorted out first, same as police officers. i don't think it's a big deal and wouldn't be offended if he was booted for the year without being charged, this is bad for the league no matter what the outcome.
I must LOL @ that analogy. Police officers perform a service in the public in which their actions or lack thereof can endanger lives and/or cause harm to others. Vick's job is to play a game. There is very little in common with what you are trying to say.
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I must LOL @ that analogy. Police officers perform a service in the public in which their actions or lack thereof can endanger lives and/or cause harm to others. Vick's job is to play a game. There is very little in common with what you are trying to say.
yeah because i compared their jobs right? I compared the situations in which somebody can be asked to not come in while an investigation was pending. also while not causing physical harm, vicks actions could do harm to the falcons orginization and players in a mental aspect. i also doubt you did "lol", which is by far the most womanly expression one could possibly use.
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yeah because i compared their jobs right? I compared the situations in which somebody can be asked to not come in while an investigation was pending. also while not causing physical harm, vicks actions could do harm to the falcons orginization and players in a mental aspect. i also doubt you did "lol", which is by far the most womanly expression one could possibly use.
Comparing their jobs is something you must do to compare the punishment. I'm sorry that is difficult for you to comprehend.
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I love when people just come in and make an ignorant post and leave.

"OMG Vick fights dogzz they get treated so bad put him in jail for life no trial kicked out of league now!! 4 ppl said he did it111!!!"

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Comparing their jobs is something you must do to compare the punishment. I'm sorry that is difficult for you to comprehend.
oh yes, comparison is much too difficult for me to comprehend, thank you for coming along and pointing that out. it's a fair asessment to say that the situations are similar in the fact that an employee has done something that warrants investigation, and are asked to step aside until the outcome is 100% clear. their duties have no bearing on the comparison of suspected wrong doing and suspension for just the possibility of it happening. i'm sorry that you can't comprehend that. i'm in no way saying the nfl should folow the same scale of punishment for officers, just comparing the way that both fields can issue suspension or paid absence pending further investigation.
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Considering they haven't even heard the defenses story I find it rather funny as well. Think about how many of todays stars would be in jail everytime the public rushed to judgement because the media controls them.
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oh yes, comparison is much too difficult for me to comprehend, thank you for coming along and pointing that out. it's a fair asessment to say that the situations are similar in the fact that an employee has done something that warrants investigation, and are asked to step aside until the outcome is 100% clear. their duties have no bearing on the comparison of suspected wrong doing and suspension for just the possibility of it happening. i'm sorry that you can't comprehend that. i'm in no way saying the nfl should folow the same scale of punishment for officers, just comparing the way that both fields can issue suspension or paid absence pending further investigation.
Ok fair enough. I just think the police officer analogy is completely off base.
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Wow. Vick is not getting any breaks. More charges are to be added. ...and the trial is set for November. Usually, these things take a year or more. 3 months is all Vick is getting before his trial. Wow. I almost feel sorry for him. ...but he brought this upon himself.
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Wow. Vick is not getting any breaks. More charges are to be added. ...and the trial is set for November. Usually, these things take a year or more. 3 months is all Vick is getting before his trial. Wow. I almost feel sorry for him. ...but he brought this upon himself.

Where did you hear this? And what else is being added?
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nothing added yet but could be added... the court date is actually surprising though, doesn't leave a huge amount of time for the defense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2950226
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