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Old 07-25-2007, 11:14 PM    (permalink
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Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota all have very good academics. You know not which you speak.

That actually is a good point though, every school in the Big Ten is either very strong at research or undergraduate (or both). The weakest (Michigan State and Ohio State) are still much much higher than a school like Missouri or West Virginia. That's another reason why Notre Dame would be the best possible fit.
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But that would require ND to lose money, so they won't do it. Maybe I'm a bit of a homer, but despite their recent poopyness, Pitt could fit in nicely. I doubt they'd do it though because they would have to separate from WVU.

Hmmm, Boise probably doesn't match up off the field or geographically, but still...
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I wasnt saying they didnt have good academics, but similar. But i do know that Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa have very similar requirements for incoming students. I got accepted to all of the above and im nothing special. Thats what i was basing that off of
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But that would require ND to lose money, so they won't do it. Maybe I'm a bit of a homer, but despite their recent poopyness, Pitt could fit in nicely. I doubt they'd do it though because they would have to separate from WVU.

Hmmm, Boise probably doesn't match up off the field or geographically, but still...
Pitt could still play WVU in an OOC game though. It's a rivalry come on. Then again, their schedule would be something like Michigan, Ohio State, PSU, WVU, Wisconsin...Ouch.
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I wasnt saying they didnt have good academics, but similar. But i do know that Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa have very similar requirements for incoming students. I got accepted to all of the above and im nothing special
Iowa will take in pretty much anyone out of state because the state is starved for young professionals and wants all of the extra tuition money it can get.
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I wasnt saying they didnt have good academics, but similar. But i do know that Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, and Iowa have very similar requirements for incoming students. I got accepted to all of the above and im nothing special
Haha..nice to see you show some confidence. I don't know about acceptance rates, but all four are very large public universities (especially Minnesota) so obviously they aren't going to be on the level of a Northwestern. I do know that in terms of research Minnesota is a top 20 school, and Illinois and Iowa are top 30.

Michigan State and Missouri are around 50th, and Michigan State is easily the weakest school academically in the Big Ten.
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Haha..nice to see you show some confidence. I don't know about acceptance rates, but all four are very large public universities (especially Minnesota) so obviously they aren't going to be on the level of a Northwestern. I do know that in terms of research Minnesota is a top 20 school, and Illinois and Iowa are top 30.

Michigan State and Missouri are around 50th, and Michigan State is easily the weakest school academically in the Big Ten.
Only thing i can brag about is Mizzou's Journalism school is top notch, and the education program is one best in the midwest
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Western Kentucky just became I-A and are ind. right now, so Cen Mich could move to big 10, while west kentucky becomes a MAC school
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Are there any possible teams we are missing? What about Rutgers? Gets the NY/NJ market into the Big Ten...
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too far from the main area IMO
Northern Illinois?
They might be in for a rough patch replacing Wolfe and OT Free
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I think the Big Ten would stand pat rather than take another team from a non-power conference and watch them end up like Northwestern, maybe have one good year, but be bottom of the barrel.
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what about iowa state?
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The Texas conference would be a modified SWC and would be rather weak unless TCU, Tech, and Houston could step it up.
A Texas Conference is a feasible -- though unlikely -- idea. Texas has 10 1-A (Bowl Division, whatever you want to call it) colleges:

UT
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I had to look it up to figure out what most teams are.
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just a few ideas:

Iowa State would make sense even though they suck at everything except wrestling

Kentucky? not very likely but geographically makes sense

Nebraska- this is my favorite, not very likely to leave Big 12, but would provide a huge football presence in Big 10 and would create a HUGE rivalry with Iowa, one because of geography and our schools are pretty similar in the fact that our football teams our the states' only "pro" athletic attractions
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Never gonna happen. The NYC metro area is just getting into College Football big because of RU. Taking them out of the Big East which they ahve been in forever and moving them to the Big 10 would lose the interest of the people here in the area. Big East basketball is too important to them.

Geographically and for rivalry reasons, Iowa St. probably makes the most sense. Not sure how that school is academically. The Big 12 could then pull a number of teams to join the Big 12 as a replacement. TCU anyone?
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Never gonna happen. The NYC metro area is just getting into College Football big because of RU. Taking them out of the Big East which they ahve been in forever and moving them to the Big 10 would lose the interest of the people here in the area. Big East basketball is too important to them.
I think Rutgers is staying put but it would create a new rivalry between Penn State and Rutgers.
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what about iowa state?
Iowa State isn't a bad idea
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It's not needed. As you know it looks like they are trying to build one with Notre Dame.
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not to mention that the Big 10 is and has always traditionally been a midwest conference...so there's prolly a less than 1% chance of it adding an eastern/western team that isn't even remotely close to the others...I mean look at when they added PSU, which is considered an "eastern" team, a lot of fans and schools went apeshit because they didn't really want to add them
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It's not needed. As you know it looks like they are trying to build one with Notre Dame.
Yes you are very right with Notre Dame getting most of the home games. Apparently ND is trying to set up a game in Florida as well to start recruiting there.
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Never gonna happen. The NYC metro area is just getting into College Football big because of RU. Taking them out of the Big East which they ahve been in forever and moving them to the Big 10 would lose the interest of the people here in the area. Big East basketball is too important to them.

Geographically and for rivalry reasons, Iowa St. probably makes the most sense. Not sure how that school is academically. The Big 12 could then pull a number of teams to join the Big 12 as a replacement. TCU anyone?
The creation of the Big Ten Network means that that the Big 10 will probably need to look at adding a 12th team which can deliver a large television market. Rutgers would be appealing in that sense.

If the Big 10 was interested there is no way in hell Rutgers wouldn't leap at the chance to join regardless of geography. The additional 10-12 million a year more RU could make in the Big Ten would guarantee it. The Big Ten is the best combination of academics and athletics there is. If you are a major research institution, you want to be associated with Michigan, Northwestern, and Wisconsin, etc. - not South Florida, WVU, etc. Let's be honest here. And The number of Michigan, Penn State, and ND fans in the area leads me to believe that joining the Big 10 would not cause people to lose interest in RU.

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Rutgers won't be invited to the Big 10. They can't compete with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin on a regular basis. They came in 3rd in their conference out of essentially 3 legit teams this year. I'm not saying they arent somewhat good now, but they will return to their old ways soon enough. They just can't compete in recruiting with any of the "Big" Big 10 schools because they aren't in a football rich area and don't have strong pull nationally.

Even the sound of it "Ohio State vs. Rutgers" sounds like a route to me.
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That's ridiculous. Rutgers isn't going anywhere.

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can't compete with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin on a regular basis. They came in 3rd in their conference out of essentially 3 legit teams this year. I'm not saying they arent somewhat good now, but they will return to their old ways soon enough. They just can't compete in recruiting with any of the "Big" Big 10 schools because they aren't in a football rich area and don't have strong pull nationally.
It's Ohio State and Michigan and then everyone else. Not like the Wisconsins of the world get it done with elite recruiting. They develop players, just like Rutgers.

Why will Rutgers regress when the team just had its best recruiting year ever? NJ is a very football rich area, much better than Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, or Wisconsin.

Rutgers will have strong pull nationally. It's a media darling with the New York market on its side. And it's going to happen in the Big East.

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That's ridiculous. Rutgers isn't going anywhere.



It's Ohio State and Michigan and then everyone else. Not like the Wisconsins of the world get it done with elite recruiting. They develop players, just like Rutgers.

Why will Rutgers regress when the team just had its best recruiting year ever? NJ is a very football rich area, much better than Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, or Wisconsin.

Rutgers will have strong pull nationally. It's a media darling with the New York market on its side. And it's going to happen in the Big East.
Haha...Rutgers has a year and a half of decent football and you're putting them on par with Penn State and Wisconsin? Give me a break. Way to almost win the Big East. You're almost as prestigious a program as South Florida. Here's a cookie.
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not to mention that the Big 10 is and has always traditionally been a midwest conference...so there's prolly a less than 1% chance of it adding an eastern/western team that isn't even remotely close to the others...I mean look at when they added PSU, which is considered an "eastern" team, a lot of fans and schools went apeshit because they didn't really want to add them
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That's why I think if they are serious about it, and Notre Dame opts out, it should be Louisville, Cincinnatti, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, or Missouri. Obviously Cincinnatti sucks at football but they've got the history to at least compete in basketball. There are some potential MAC programs but the problem is that most of them are in Ohio and Michigan and those states are owned by the big two.
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