Movie Discussion Thread

[Cigaro]

Was the guy in the first credits scene not a villain(or was that Dr.Doom)?

[703SKINS202]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I think they've set themselves up pretty well for the villain in The Avengers 2, whenever we see it. Personally, I thought the story moved in that direction so well, and when I saw what was in the credits scene, the comic book ***** inside me pretty much exploded from happiness.

Can you give a brief synopsis of

thanos

for those of us who didn't grow up reading comics?

[703SKINS202]

Originally Posted by Cigaro

Was the guy in the first credits scene not a villain(or was that Dr.Doom)?

That was not Dr. Doom. I got real excited at first cause I though they flashed his mask but that was another villain named

Thanos

[Jvig43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos. More importantly read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet It was spotted in Thor so many assume it will be a key storyline for the next one

[Jvig43]

Also just some of my initial thoughts on some particular scenes towards the end of the film

Couldnt help but feel as though they were setting up a possible civil war plot in there with the news guy asking who are these people, why don't we know their identities, where do they live as well as Furry's comments towards the end of the movie as well. I doubt it would encompass everything in the comics but I felt like it was giving a nod to setting something up like that.

[eaglesalltheway]

Based off of these last few pages, I should definitely go see the Avengers, even though I not a comic book fanboy.

[killxswitch]

It will be interesting to see how they proceed with the next movies, and if they do any individual Ironman/Thor/Hulk/Captain America movies in between. There is serious potential here for the most epic overarching storyline ever.

There's been a clear line drawn between the big guns (Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk) and the little guns (Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow). And then there is some bleeding of the edges, like with Cap having a couple toes on the big gun side and all three of the little guns being more closely-tied to SHIELD rather than being independent contractors of destruction.

I think there's potential for a "Cap'n America gets stronger" side plot, or even a 2nd Cap movie. Like say he's battling a villian, really struggling, and Iron Man swoops in and easily (and sarcastically) takes the bad guy down. Out of frustration with his lesser powers Cap makes a deal with some fringe nutcase scientist that increases his power, but at a cost. So he faces a decision to become more capable but lose who he is. Something like that.

I just hope Whedon sticks with it for the next Avenger movies.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Also just some of my initial thoughts on some particular scenes towards the end of the film

Couldnt help but feel as though they were setting up a possible civil war plot in there with the news guy asking who are these people, why don't we know their identities, where do they live as well as Furry's comments towards the end of the movie as well. I doubt it would encompass everything in the comics but I felt like it was giving a nod to setting something up like that.

The inclusion of the Senator at the end was indeed important. While I very much doubt they go into full blown Civil War, especially after introducing Thanos, it wouldn't shock me to see friction between Iron Man and Captain America moving forward. That said, the Iron Man in the movies is a little more morally ambiguous then post-alcoholism Tony Stark in the comics, so it might not register well with audiences if RDJ suddenly starts to support the government after condemning it for what I will assume to be 3 Iron Man movies. I know Iron Man 3 will focus on the Extremis armor and the nanobyte technology, but I'm really hoping they touch on the "Demon in a Bottle" arc too, which addresses Stark's alcoholism.

As far as Thanos goes, he's basically a super-powerful alien in the Galactus mold who possesses the Infinity Gauntlet, a super-powerful weapon. From what I know of the Marvel Universe (which is everything), there's a really good case to be made for Thanos as the ultimate villain of the universe, right up there with Galactus, Mephisto, Magneto and Dr. Doom. He's bad news, anyways. He'd be a really cool villain for The Avengers 2, but I think it's more likely he's the villain in Thor 2, where he steals the Infinity Gauntlet from Odin, leading to Avengers being called again to save the planet.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

Based off of these last few pages, I should definitely go see the Avengers, even though I not a comic book fanboy.

It's one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time. Easily one of the best "blockbuster" type movies I've ever seen, and more enjoyable then anything in recent memory save something like Scott Pilgrim.

Originally Posted by killxswitch

It will be interesting to see how they proceed with the next movies, and if they do any individual Ironman/Thor/Hulk/Captain America movies in between. There is serious potential here for the most epic overarching storyline ever.

There's been a clear line drawn between the big guns (Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk) and the little guns (Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow). And then there is some bleeding of the edges, like with Cap having a couple toes on the big gun side and all three of the little guns being more closely-tied to SHIELD rather than being independent contractors of destruction.

I think there's potential for a "Cap'n America gets stronger" side plot, or even a 2nd Cap movie. Like say he's battling a villian, really struggling, and Iron Man swoops in and easily (and sarcastically) takes the bad guy down. Out of frustration with his lesser powers Cap makes a deal with some fringe nutcase scientist that increases his power, but at a cost. So he faces a decision to become more capable but lose who he is. Something like that.

I just hope Whedon sticks with it for the next Avenger movies.

Captain America 2, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 have all been confirmed for before another Avengers movie. Captain America 2 is supposedly focusing on his struggles fitting into the modern world, with a ton of flashbacks and the Winter Soldier storyline worked in there somewhere. Iron Man 3 already has Ben Kingsley as the villain and Guy Pearce as a scientist working with Tony Stark and will focus on the Extremis storyline (Basically, nanobots). Thor 2 is pretty vague at the moment, but supposedly it's going to focus on his relationship with Jane Foster and I can only assume that it will have a ton to do with the more cosmic storylines developed in The Avengers.

[703SKINS202]

Captain America was my least favorite out of all the Marvel movies recently. They definitely need to make his character more interesting in the 2nd.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Apparently Daredevil and the Fantastic Four are two franchise Marvel is working hard to get back. Both are on timed deals from what I understand, wherein the studios have to produce a movie by a certain year or the rights revert back to Marvel studios. If both franchises aren't rebooted soon, we could see Marvel getting those characters back into their own fold. Not that I really care about either, and I thought The Avengers worked spectacularly as it was, but I think those are some legitimate options.

I hope Fantastic Four and DareDevil do go back to Marvel Studios. Daredevil is older than Ghost Rider. It should be about time for Dare Devil to come back. The thing I'm worried about now is that since the Avengers was so successful those two franchises may get their own rushed reboots just like Ghost Rider. We may get a rash of superhero films now. And we'll see if America truly gets tired of them.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by 703SKINS202

Captain America was my least favorite out of all the Marvel movies recently. They definitely need to make his character more interesting in the 2nd.

The problem with Captain America is that he isn't interesting. He's alot like Superman in that regard, in that he's an iconic character, but not an interesting one. He's the noble/goldenboy type that every team needs, but it doesn't make for an interesting solo movie. He's one of the few characters whose time in the comics is very rarely tainted by anything out of character.

Personally, I think it's something that the Hulk suffered from in recent adaptations. The Hulk isn't an interesting character when he's just that "force of nature" that gets released on the world and Banner is constantly running from. He becomes an interesting character when he's given a personality and the relationship between Banner and the Hulk is more then Banner trying to suppress him, which is exactly what you saw in The Avengers. Whedon did a brilliant job writing Banner/Hulk, and I think it's the first time we've seen him done properly on the big screen, honestly. Also loved that the actual Hulk render looked alot like Mark Ruffalo, it really added some humanity to the character that's never really been there.

[nrk]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Also just some of my initial thoughts on some particular scenes towards the end of the film

Couldnt help but feel as though they were setting up a possible civil war plot in there with the news guy asking who are these people, why don't we know their identities, where do they live as well as Furry's comments towards the end of the movie as well. I doubt it would encompass everything in the comics but I felt like it was giving a nod to setting something up like that.

As much as I'd love for them to be setting up the Marvel Civil War, I don't see it happening. I think it was more just of a Avengers/Superheros/Aliens etc becoming public knowledge. And for them to do Civil War, they'd have to not use the Hulk or really change it. Thor is a robot if I recall correctly because hes missing. Spider-Man would be a huge MUST, as would be some other characters. The cast would have to be huge, even if they cut out a lot.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

It's one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time. Easily one of the best "blockbuster" type movies I've ever seen, and more enjoyable then anything in recent memory save something like Scott Pilgrim.



Captain America 2, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 have all been confirmed for before another Avengers movie. Captain America 2 is supposedly focusing on his struggles fitting into the modern world, with a ton of flashbacks and the Winter Soldier storyline worked in there somewhere. Iron Man 3 already has Ben Kingsley as the villain and Guy Pearce as a scientist working with Tony Stark and will focus on the Extremis storyline (Basically, nanobots). Thor 2 is pretty vague at the moment, but supposedly it's going to focus on his relationship with Jane Foster and I can only assume that it will have a ton to do with the more cosmic storylines developed in The Avengers.

Ben Kingsley I'm guessing is going to portray Mandarin? I might have gone for a younger choice if that's the case. He's also a skilled marital artist. And if the ten rings come into play I wonder how much "magic" vs. "science" they'll have incorporated into them.

[ryno626]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

As cool as it would be to get some more heros into the next avengers, I think I would be happy if they just kept the current line up in or made minimal additions to the team as is. I would rather focus on these characters developing stronger relationships with each other than just adding in a bunch of new characters.

Also, I completely agree that Doom being a villain would be so kick ass.

Yea you're right, it'd probably turn into a giant clusterf*ck if there was a revolving door of members every movie.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by Ness

Ben Kingsley I'm guessing is going to portray Mandarin? I might have gone for a younger choice if that's the case. He's also a skilled marital artist. And if the ten rings come into play I wonder how much "magic" vs. "science" they'll have incorporated into them.

Initial reports are that Kingsley is playing an as of yet unreleased villain, but they did confirm it won't be The Mandarin. Apparently Shane Black didn't want to continue that arc where Jon Favreau left off, so they're moving in the nanotech direction instead. I don't really trust anything Kevin Feige says these days though, wouldn't shock me if Kingsley was the Mandarin, he looks just ******* like him.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

The problem with Captain America is that he isn't interesting. He's alot like Superman in that regard, in that he's an iconic character, but not an interesting one. He's the noble/goldenboy type that every team needs, but it doesn't make for an interesting solo movie. He's one of the few characters whose time in the comics is very rarely tainted by anything out of character.

I disagree. I was really impressed by the first Captain America film. And now that he's in the future, they have the chance to go deeper with the character and establish how he struggles related to the modern world. In the comics he's haunted by the aspect of being in another time, essentially another world. America, his country has also changed in a lot of ways since he was around. I think they can go far with Captain America.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

Initial reports are that Kingsley is playing an as of yet unreleased villain, but they did confirm it won't be The Mandarin. Apparently Shane Black didn't want to continue that arc where Jon Favreau left off, so they're moving in the nanotech direction instead. I don't really trust anything Kevin Feige says these days though, wouldn't shock me if Kingsley was the Mandarin, he looks just ******* like him.

Oh that's right. Different director. Well, I just hope Feige can keep the same tone from the first two movies.

And no Mandarin? That's a shame.

[A Perfect Score]

Originally Posted by Ness

I disagree. I was really impressed by the first Captain America film. And now that he's in the future, they have the chance to go deeper with the character and establish how he struggles related to the modern world. In the comics he's haunted by the aspect of being in another time, essentially another world. America, his country has also changed in a lot of ways since he was around. I think they can go far with Captain America.

It's probably a matter of opinion, but I've been reading comics for the better part of my life and I've never found him to be an overly compelling character. A necessary one, but I can name 10 heroes off the top of my head whose individual arcs I'd rather read then Captain America. I think you're right in that examining him "out of time" is kind of cool, but really that aspect of his character just points to the ways in which society has regressed since the WWII era. They kind of touch upon that in The Avengers as well, his dissatisfaction with the way the world progressed while he slept, but there's really only so much they can do with it. Again, probably matter of opinion, but I'd love a solo Hulk movie way more then Captain America 2.

[Ness]

So I'm guessing The Wasp is in the next film. They'll want to add another female maybe. And she's been apart of The Avengers for a good amount of their history.

Oh and no "widow's bite" from Black Widow in the movie. Seems like her wristbands were just for show.

[Wootylicous]

I told you guys that credit scene was the ******* bomb!

[nrk]

Originally Posted by Ness

So I'm guessing The Wasp is in the next film. They'll want to add another female maybe. And she's been apart of The Avengers for a good amount of their history.

Oh and no "widow's bite" from Black Widow in the movie. Seems like her wristbands were just for show.

If they add The Wasp I'd imagine they would add Ant-Man as well. I really hoped to see a cameo for them in Avengers.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Ness

Oh that's right. Different director. Well, I just hope Feige can keep the same tone from the first two movies.

And no Mandarin? That's a shame.

It'll be Mandarin. Shane Black is just dicking around.

[Ness]

I have the urge to play this again:

[brat316]

Whats happening with the Spider Man remake movies?