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Old 12-28-2006, 01:49 PM    (permalink
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I'm a huge baseball fan and in light of this year's upcoming hall of fame vote, I just thought it'd be interesting to debate who, out of the active players in the league, everyone thinks will eventually be inducted into Cooperstown. So I was thinking we'd have someone post a name of a current player and then the next poster decides "in" or "out" and then follows it up with of name of their own.

Ok I'll start it off: Curt Schilling

IP: 3110 Wins: 207 Losses: 138 SO: 3015 ERA: 3.44
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I love Schilling, he's my favorite player in the the league right now, and I think he is in. I think he bumped himself in with the bloody sock.
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I love Schilling, he's my favorite player in the the league right now, and I think he is in. I think he bumped himself in with the bloody sock.
Yeah, that memorable performance will make it hard to keep him out.
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How about Mike Mussina. Look at his numbers. I think he is in if he can play close to what he did last year these next two years. A World Series might lock it.
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What about good 'ol Chipper Jones?

357 HRs, 1197 RBIs, 1944 Hits, and a .304 career BA.
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Ok then so far Schilling "In" (I don't know I'm torn on him but moving on)

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Mussina "in" or "out" then post a new player after you decide
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Chipper out right now with a few more seasons in....Jeff Bagwell??
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Ok then so far Schilling "In" (I don't know I'm torn on him but moving on)

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Well Schilling is in with IP: 3110 Wins: 207 Losses: 138 SO: 3015 ERA: 3.44.

Mussina is IP: 3210.1 Wins: 239 Losses: 134 SO: 2572 ERA: 3.63 and Whip: 1.18. Did it all in the AL too. I think he needs a WS win and he is in.
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I dont think Mussina ever got a 20 win season.
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Ok then so far Schilling "In" (I don't know I'm torn on him but moving on)

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Mussina "in" or "out" then post a new player after you decide
Well Schilling is in with IP: 3110 Wins: 207 Losses: 138 SO: 3015 ERA: 3.44.

Mussina is IP: 3210.1 Wins: 239 Losses: 134 SO: 2572 ERA: 3.63 and Whip: 1.18. Did it all in the AL too. I think he needs a WS win and he is in.
Truthfully, I don't think either of them have the numbers or awards for that matter, no Cy Youngs between them, but Schilling does have 2001 World Series MVP and 1993 NLCS MVP. Its a push with Schilling but I"m not too confident about Mussina.
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Ok then so far Schilling "In" (I don't know I'm torn on him but moving on)

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Mussina "in" or "out" then post a new player after you decide
Well Schilling is in with IP: 3110 Wins: 207 Losses: 138 SO: 3015 ERA: 3.44.

Mussina is IP: 3210.1 Wins: 239 Losses: 134 SO: 2572 ERA: 3.63 and Whip: 1.18. Did it all in the AL too. I think he needs a WS win and he is in.
Truthfully, I don't think either of them have the numbers or awards for that matter, no Cy Youngs between them, but Schilling does have 2001 World Series MVP and 1993 NLCS MVP. Its a push with Schilling but I"m not too confident about Mussina.
I can understand that and the 20 win argument. Although Mike has gotten 19 a few times and 18 a few times as well. Its just rare you see pitcher spend his whole career in the AL and put up numbers like he has for so long. As far as the hardware, you are right he doesn't have any except for gold gloves. Thats why I think he needs the WS to get in.
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Bagwell "in", 4 time all-star, NL MVP 1994, ROY 1991, 1994 Gold Glove
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Frank Thomas (DH)
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How about Mike Mussina. Look at his numbers. I think he is in if he can play close to what he did last year these next two years. A World Series might lock it.
im a red sox fan and even i think mussina deserves to go in.
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How about Mike Mussina. Look at his numbers. I think he is in if he can play close to what he did last year these next two years. A World Series might lock it.
im a red sox fan and even i think mussina deserves to go in.
The Hall of Fame doors are becoming "too wide". Not everyone that had a good career should get in. The HOF should be for the elite.
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The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

Here's one: How about Griffey.
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The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

Here's one: How about Griffey.
is that a serious question?
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It would be ignorant and stupid of hall of fame voters to not let McGwire in because of what he may or may not have done in the past.
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The problem with Mussina is he's never really been elite. Frank Thomas is certainly in the hall as is Bagwell. Biggio? Ehhh, I'd be on the fence with him.

Here's one: How about Griffey.
I don't care how many injuries he has suffered lately, Junior has clinched his HOF plaque about 5-6 years ago.

He may have been the greatest player of his generation.

On other players mentioned:

Schilling - I think he has a good shot at it, but I don't think it's a sure thing.
Mussina - He has a shot at it, but if he may need another few good-to-excellent seasons.
Biggio - I think he's in. He might be the best 2b of his generation.
Bagwell - He should be in, but some writers might be idiotic enough not to vote for him.
Thomas - He is in. As big as he is I don't really think that he is under any 'roid cloud, as he has been a big guy throughout his career.


Other names to consider:

Mike Piazza
Ivan Rodriguez
Juan Gonzalez
Omar Visquel
Jim Thome
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
Andy Pettite
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Mike Piazza IN
Ivan Rodriguez IN
Juan Gonzalez OUT
Omar Visquel OUT (but very very close)
Jim Thome Once he breaks 500 homeruns, IN
Tom Glavine IN
John Smoltz IN
Andy Pettite Will have to finish his career in NY very strongly, OUT at this point
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I'd put Vizquel in, mainly because Ozzie Smith got in and Vizquel has been just as good of a defender as Ozzie, whilst being a better hitter and nearly as good a runner.
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Do you guys remember when there was absolutely NO DOUBT that Juan Gone would be a HOFer?

BTW, I forgot about Chipper, I think he has a shot at it, but only if he continues to produce for a few more seasons.

Also, regarding every player that is on that poll, if there was a "NONE" option I'd choose it.
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Do you guys remember when there was absolutely NO DOUBT that Juan Gone would be a HOFer?

BTW, I forgot about Chipper, I think he has a shot at it, but only if he continues to produce for a few more seasons.

Also, regarding every player that is on that poll, if there was a "NONE" option I'd choose it.
I agree about the none option, but if I had to choose off that list, I'd choose Rafael Palmeiro. Mainly because he was more than a one dimensional player.
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This is why the MLB Hall of Fame is becoming way too easy to get in to.

Neither Mussina or Schilling are Hall of Famers. Schilling has had two dominating years, but other then that he's been eh. He doesn't have the career numbers.

Mussina's been pretty steady, but he was never dominant, he's always been middle of the pack.

The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for elite players, and I think the MLB will make a huge mistake if they continue to let in products of longitivity in, because they have been middle of the road for a while and thus compiled career numbers because they were fortunate to be healthy.
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