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List these offensive tackles in order of which do you think will be a better pro.

Sam Barker
Jake Long
Joe Thomas
Levi Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jared Gaither
Barry Richardson

Each of these guys are/were excepted to go in the top 10 of the draft now which one do you guys think will have more successes in the nfl? list them in order.
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3-Ferguson
4-Baker
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#1 Levi Brown
#2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson
#3 Sam Baker
#4 Jake Long(RT)
#5 Joe Thomas(RT)
#6 Barry Richardson
#7 Jared Gaither

i think by the mid way point in thier careers long and thomas will be right tackles and not left tackles... i jsut dont think they have the best skills set for that side... and i know brown is a right tackle... but thats beause leinart is a lefty
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3. Sam Barker
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5. Levi Brown
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1. Jake Long
2. Joe Thomas
3. D'Brickishaw Ferguson
4. Levi Brown
5. Sam Baker
6. Barry Richardson
7. Jared Gaither (why's he on this list?)
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#1 Levi Brown
#2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson
#3 Sam Barker
#4 Jake Long(RT)
#5 Joe Thomas(RT)
#6 Barry Richardson
#7 Jared Gaither

i think by the mid way point in thier careers long and thomas will be right tackles and not left tackles... i jsut dont think they have the best skills set for that side... and i know brown is a right tackle... but thats beause leinart is a lefty

Brown is a perfect fit in Arizona with Leinart being a lefty and the right side being Matt's blindside. Thomas is a better fit at LT, he is a great pass blocker and is great at getting quickly into his stance...he has great skills for a Left tackle, but is not overly strong and overpowering as a run blocker, so I don't think he'd be as good of a RT. Strongly disagree with you there. With Long your point is valid though, however I think he'll be fine at LT.
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Sam Baker
Jake Long
Barry Richardson
Jared Gaither
Levi Brown

Thomas and Ferguson are very far ahead of the rest of the group. Of the bottom 5 I only think Baker and maybe Gaither end up at LT.
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#2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson
#3 Sam Barker
#4 Jake Long(RT)
#5 Joe Thomas(RT)
#6 Barry Richardson
#7 Jared Gaither

i think by the mid way point in thier careers long and thomas will be right tackles and not left tackles... i jsut dont think they have the best skills set for that side... and i know brown is a right tackle... but thats beause leinart is a lefty
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List these offensive tackles in order of which do you think will be a better pro.

Sam Barker
Jake Long
Joe Thomas
Levi Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jared Gaither
Barry Richardson

Each of these guys are/were excepted to go in the top 10 of the draft now which do you guys will think will successes more? list them in order.
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1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
2. Joe Thomas
3a Sam Baker
3b Jake Long
5. Levi Brown
Barry Richardson
Jared Gaither


Those last two don't even deserve to be mentioned with the other 5.
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1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
2. Joe Thomas
3a Sam Baker
3b Jake Long
5. Levi Brown
Barry Richardson
Jared Gaither


Those last two don't even deserve to be mentioned with the other 5.
Right because a guy in already in the NFL learning from JO is going to be nothing.......................
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Right because a guy in already in the NFL learning from JO is going to be nothing.......................
People underestimate the intelligence that goes along with being an offensive lineman. I don't believe someone who failed out of college will be able to do that well in the NFL at that position.
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People underestimate the intelligence that goes along with being an offensive lineman. I don't believe someone who failed out of college will be able to do that well in the NFL at that position.
Hey Jared, block this guy for the entire game. Yeah thats rocket science there...........
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Hey Jared, block this guy for the entire game. Yeah thats rocket science there...........
coming from an offensive lineman in college, well be it a JC, its really not that hard. The plays are really basic, what the hard part is is where you go to different defenses and when the blitzs hit where to go. Every OLineman knows that the twist is the worst and best thing a DLineman can do. On a pass, he should never get their in time, on a run it ***** with your angle. Since hes an OT he will probably do make cut offs, getting his shoulder pinned or cutting him. Honestly, OLine is complicated and easy at the same time
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Hey Jared, block this guy for the entire game. Yeah thats rocket science there...........
Hey Peyton, throw to that guy.
Hey LT, run over there.
Hey Calvin, Run and catch the ball.

Each position has its own complications to it and you can't simplify it the way you just did. Scat made just a few of the points that I was alluding to. And to be a franchise left tackle, you need to be able to read coverage very well because if you screw up, your QB is in a world of hurt.
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Hey Peyton, throw to that guy.
Hey LT, run over there.
Hey Calvin, Run and catch the ball.

Each position has its own complications to it and you can't simplify it the way you just did. Scat made just a few of the points that I was alluding to. And to be a franchise left tackle, you need to be able to read coverage very well because if you screw up, your QB is in a world of hurt.
Even more reason why learning from a future Hall of Famer Jonathan Ogden will allow him to learn the intracrencies(sp?) of the position will make him a better player in the long run. Besides there's a big difference between book smarts and football smarts......
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Joe Thomas
Sam Barker
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Barry Richardson
Jared Gaither

Ferguson and Thomas are on another level, and one more thing to put in, what about Marcus McNiel?
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This looks like a solid list to me although I don't know why Gaither is even on a list.
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Even more reason why learning from a future Hall of Famer Jonathan Ogden will allow him to learn the intracrencies(sp?) of the position will make him a better player in the long run. Besides there's a big difference between book smarts and football smarts......

you my friend are hopeless. Will he benefit greatly from sitting behind Ogden? Yes, definately, but will it guarantee he actually learns the position from him? Not at all. The position requires him to make a judgement call, and if he makes the wrong one, from lack of ability to read the defense, the quarterback will suffer. And although there is a big difference in book and football smarts, having both usually is to your benefit. Like memorization of what blitz packages they like to run from certain formations, knowing player blitzes most often etc. Terry Bradshaw I believe didnt have the greatest book smarts and hes a hall of famer, but we are not talking about Bradshaw, and Im pretty sure he never flunked out of college. Im not saying Gaither's gonna be bad, im just saying that if you think hes gonna magically improve to pro bowl level because there's a hall of famer in front of him trying to teach him, dont bet on it.

Oh and before you ask, I brought up Bradshaw because I felt that you might bring him up in an attempt to bring a positive light on your argument of a less book smart guy with great football intelligence.
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you my friend are hopeless. Will he benefit greatly from sitting behind Ogden? Yes, definately, but will it guarantee he actually learns the position from him? Not at all. The position requires him to make a judgement call, and if he makes the wrong one, from lack of ability to read the defense, the quarterback will suffer. And although there is a big difference in book and football smarts, having both usually is to your benefit. Like memorization of what blitz packages they like to run from certain formations, knowing player blitzes most often etc. Terry Bradshaw I believe didnt have the greatest book smarts and hes a hall of famer, but we are not talking about Bradshaw, and Im pretty sure he never flunked out of college. Im not saying Gaither's gonna be bad, im just saying that if you think hes gonna magically improve to pro bowl level because there's a hall of famer in front of him trying to teach him, dont bet on it.

Oh and before you ask, I brought up Bradshaw because I felt that you might bring him up in an attempt to bring a positive light on your argument of a less book smart guy with great football intelligence.
This post is an excellent example of someone thinking they are of advanced intelligence, yet are really only average. Gaither's athletic ability combined with his football intelligence will ultimately allow him to succeed. If you bothered to actually do any research, you would see that the Ravens did their due dilligence on Jared by bringing in the Maryland coaching staff to address the issues he had with the Terps. Ralph stressed to the Ravens that intelligence was not a problem with Jared, his academics were a result of him being a typical jock who put football first and academics second. He never had a problem with the playbook or schemes, he only struggled in the classroom because frankly he wasn't there very much. Once he realized that he couldn't get his grades in order he switched his total focus to getting prepared for the Supplemental Draft. Gaither will be a steal with only a 5th round pick down the line, and all the "bashing" is really jealousy from fans of teams unwilling to take the chance on him.
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This post is an excellent example of someone thinking they are of advanced intelligence, yet are really only average. Gaither's athletic ability combined with his football intelligence will ultimately allow him to succeed. If you bothered to actually do any research, you would see that the Ravens did their due dilligence on Jared by bringing in the Maryland coaching staff to address the issues he had with the Terps. Ralph stressed to the Ravens that intelligence was not a problem with Jared, his academics were a result of him being a typical jock who put football first and academics second. He never had a problem with the playbook or schemes, he only struggled in the classroom because frankly he wasn't there very much. Once he realized that he couldn't get his grades in order he switched his total focus to getting prepared for the Supplemental Draft. Gaither will be a steal with only a 5th round pick down the line, and all the "bashing" is really jealousy from fans of teams unwilling to take the chance on him.
i hope your right. I want the guy to succeed. I like the ravens, but i doubt hes gonna suddenly make some pro-bowl transition. And no, Im not of advanced intelligence, but i had to go through a debate for school and a lawyer told me that if I know something a person can use against me, to bring it up, because if I state it first then it leaves you with a less, "shock value" i think he said. And for the Ravens doing their due diligence, my thought on that is, I bet all the teams interested in him did their due diligence so thats a very moot point imo. I would hope all the teams would talk to their coaches and get assurances before they use a pick on the guy. And im not bashing him im trying to tell you to be cautiously optimistic. He really wasnt all that great at Maryland and you shouldnt expect him to become a pro-bowler, ar at the very least, not for a few years.
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