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Old 08-20-2007, 01:11 PM    (permalink
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3 straight MVP awards? Favre was easily the best QB of the 90's.

Top twenty? He is without a doubt top ten, no one can really argue if he is listed in the top 5, and he can make a case for top 3(even if he doesn't actually make the top 3.)

Name a QB who was better than Favre at really any time during the prime of Favres career.
Steve Young and John Elway are right up there...
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I wont argue that over the course of their career Elway is better than Favre, but from 94-98 Favre was the best QB in the game. Then he had a few years that weren't too great, due mostly to a bad team that he kept in contention. Then he was back to his old self from 01-04 and could arguably have been the best QB in the league this first of those years.

I really like Steve Young, I loved how he played, but I think he is overrated by many people. I don't have him in the top ten of all time.
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Steve Young and John Elway are right up there...
same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.
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same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.
Favre has never played with a HOFer on offense, and he had 3 straight MVP awards. Elway did not win the super bowl against the packers, TD did.
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same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.
The team around Elway won the Super Bowls for the Broncos; Elway was at the end of his career and was nowhere near the player he was years before that. Steve Young was a very good QB, but not great IMO. He played with Jerry Rice and had the weapons around him. He's alot like Troy Aikman, they had the talent within themselves, but the talent around them made them seem alot better than they really were.
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Christ! Packer fans who can't get over the fact that Favre isn't universally considered as the best QB ever, just top 5. Get over yourselves and let the man finish the list.
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Christ! Packer fans who can't get over the fact that Favre isn't universally considered as the best QB ever, just top 5. Get over yourselves and let the man finish the list.
The discussion right now isn't about him being the best ever, it's about best QB of the 90's.
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you guys are insane... yes TD had a great game in SB 32 and that's why he was MVP, but to say he won both is crazy. Elway torched the Falcons in SB 33 for 330+ yards threw for a touchdown and had that great run for one as well, and won that game for the Broncs hands down. He walked away on top and didn't drag his team along for his off years like Favre has just to break records that he's going to hold for a what 4-5 years until Manning breaks them. Even an old diminishing Elway was able to help push his team to wins.
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you guys are insane... yes TD had a great game in SB 32 and that's why he was MVP, but to say he won both is crazy. Elway torched the Falcons in SB 33 for 330+ yards threw for a touchdown and had that great run for one as well, and won that game for the Broncs hands down. He walked away on top and didn't drag his team along for his off years like Favre has just to break records that he's going to hold for a what 4-5 years until Manning breaks them. Even an old diminishing Elway was able to help push his team to wins.
Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.
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Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.
In the last 2-3 years Favre has been a very average QB and the Pack seem to be in a rebuilding mode, so why wouldn't he step aside and let them develop a QB for the future? The jury is still out on Rodgers because Favre won't retire and let us see what he's really worth.
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Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.
He has hurt the Packers ever since that playoff game against the Vikings. Including that game the Packers are 12-21 and Brett Favre has 39 touchdowns to 51 interceptions and 13 fumbles lost. It's impossible to say that he has been anything close to 'good' the past two years, rather he has been poor. His status is the only thing that protects him. No other QB in the NFL would still have his job if he played like Favre has the past two years.
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He has hurt the Packers ever since that playoff game against the Vikings. Including that game the Packers are 12-21 and Brett Favre has 39 touchdowns to 51 interceptions and 13 fumbles lost. It's impossible to say that he has been anything close to 'good' the past two years, rather he has been poor. His status is the only thing that protects him. No other QB in the NFL would still have his job if he played like Favre has.
That's simply false. Your last statement is basically saying that Favre is the worst starting quarterback in the league.

The team has been garbage the past few years. A QB like Favre is going to throw a lot of interceptions on a bad team because he tries to make plays and win games, especially when he's losing. Favre was lightyears ahead of Rodgers the past few years so how is he hurting the Packers? Until this year, I didn't think Rodgers was ready to start.
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That's simply false. Your last statement is basically saying that Favre is the worst starting quarterback in the league.
How is it false? He is the worst starter that has no pressure on him to perform, yes. Other players like him are either quickly replaced like Aaron Brooks or they are like Rex Grossman and will shortly be replaced. A near 1:2 TD/Turnover ratio is simply unacceptable in the NFL. It's rather impossible to win when your QB sabotages your team by making stupid decisions. People get on Jake Delhomme and Jake Plummer and they have been much better than Favre has been the past two years.

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He throws those interceptions because he doesn't want to change his style to adapt to his diminishing abilities. McCarthy wants him to stop winging it around the field, yet he cannot do anything to him because if the fan base had their choice they would fire McCarthy and continue to blindly revere Favre. It's strenuous on an entire team when the opposition gets great opportunities to score points because your QB threw it into double coverage, again and again. Those kinds of mistakes will only make a bad team even worse.

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Just because Rodgers isn't good does not make an argument that Favre is good. Besides, it isn't as if any head coach with McCarthy's stature could actually bench Favre. That would be sacrilegious.
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I think Packer fans should just accept Favre isn't the QB he once was, and hasn't been for a few years, and that yes, he in fact MAY be doing more harm than good by not allowing the team to move on and get used life without #4. Frankly, his stats of the past years do kinda tell the story.

Last year was a real showing of how he hurts the Packers in the situation with his possible retirement last year, he just announced he was considering it, then put the dicision off as long as possible, leaving the team in limbo as to the QB position. I find that selfish.
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3 straight MVP awards? Favre was easily the best QB of the 90's.

Top twenty? He is without a doubt top ten, no one can really argue if he is listed in the top 5, and he can make a case for top 3(even if he doesn't actually make the top 3.)

Name a QB who was better than Favre at really any time during the prime of Favres career.
I'll take Elway over him any day of week.
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Shiver, dude, you think( thought) Mike Vick is(was) great. I'll take my Favre homerism over that any day. At leased my man crush has a couple MVPs and a superbowl, not a jail cell.
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I think Packer fans should just accept Favre isn't the QB he once was, and hasn't been for a few years, and that yes, he in fact MAY be doing more harm than good by not allowing the team to move on and get used life without #4. Frankly, his stats of the past years do kinda tell the story.

Last year was a real showing of how he hurts the Packers in the situation with his possible retirement last year, he just announced he was considering it, then put the dicision off as long as possible, leaving the team in limbo as to the QB position. I find that selfish.
This thread isn't about Brett Favre NOW. This is about his Career, and his career was well, exceptional.
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Favre always get all this worship, especially by Packer fans, and yet I don't get it? Yes he's approaching vaunted QB records, but he's also approaching the interception record. What about the fact that he's been holding the Packers' franchise hostage all these years by hanging around with his overinflated salary and then constantly complaining about how they won't surround HIM with the necessary talent to win? He wants the team to sacrifice their future just so HE can win. He has no real concern about the Packers', he's just a self-absorbed, pompous ass who has been steadily declining and hanging around past his prime to collect records and one last stab at glory.
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never said it wasn't I just said it's not as 'zOMG he the bestest QB of all time, ever!'-exceptional as some packer fans claim (note: not all)
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This thread isn't about Brett Favre NOW. This is about his Career, and his career was well, exceptional.
As for modern era Quarterbacks I would go: Peyton Manning, John Elway then Brett Favre. That's just my take on it.
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never said it wasn't I just said it's not as 'zOMG he the bestest QB of all time, ever!'-exceptional as some packer fans claim (note: not all)
Yeah, it's only PACKER fans that think Brett had a great career, not any of those who will vote him on first ballot hall of fame. Come one dude, to deny Favre had a great Career is nuckin futs. Let me guess you're a 14-16 year old who can only recall Favre's latter years?

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As for modern era Quarterbacks I would go: Peyton Manning, John Elway then Brett Favre. That's just my take on it.
I'd tend to agree with that comment...... 6-7 years from now. Manning dosen't belong on that list until he finishes his career the way he has maintained it so far.
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Favre always get all this worship, especially by Packer fans, and yet I don't get it? Yes he's approaching vaunted QB records, but he's also approaching the interception record. What about the fact that he's been holding the Packers' franchise hostage all these years by hanging around with his overinflated salary and then constantly complaining about how they won't surround HIM with the necessary talent to win? He wants the team to sacrifice their future just so HE can win. He has no real concern about the Packers', he's just a self-absorbed, pompous ass who has been steadily declining and hanging around past his prime to collect records and one last stab at glory.
I'll start with this..... Favre may throw many INT's but he also leads the NFL in all-time pass attempts if i recall correctly... that might help to contribute to it, maybe . Now I'm not going to deny the man makes some questionable throws, but it's just part of his game. AS weak of excuse as that may seem, it's the truth. Sometimes his gambles pay off, other they don't. Not to mention I once read his interception per pass attempt is actually within a few points of QBs like Marino and Elway. Not too shabby.

Holding the franchise hostage? How's that? Helping young players learn? Giving them the best chance to win? You think the fact that Aaron Rodgers came into Packers looking like an undrafted free agent to many scouts and now with a few years of learning he's beginning to show signs of a respectable QB has nothing to do with developing behind a hall of famer. I always find it interested how outsiders are the first to blame Favre for the franchises struggles the past couple of years when people who actually follow the team know this isn't the case.
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Yeah, it's only PACKER fans that think Brett had a great career, not any of those who will vote him on first ballot hall of fame. Come one dude, to deny Favre had a great Career is nuckin futs. Let me guess you're a 14-16 year old who can only recall Favre's latter years?
do you even READ what I just said?

seriously, I said that it's the packer fans who make it look like he was the best guy to ever wear pads and they throw things around like TD passes (missing the fact he's also close to the INT pass record, but nvm).

Never said he wasn't great. Never said he didn't have a great career. Never said he should be anything but a first ballot HOF'er.

Just... please try to read what I say before you make me waste my time explaining what I mean.

oh and no, I am not 14/15, but you're right I never SAW Favre in his glory days, but I'm not retarted and I actually do read things. So yes, I perfectly understand that he was a fantastic QB.
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do you even READ what I just said?

seriously, I said that it's the packer fans who make it look like he was the best guy to ever wear pads and they throw things around like TD passes (missing the fact he's also close to the INT pass record, but nvm).

Never said he wasn't great. Never said he didn't have a great career. Never said he should be anything but a first ballot HOF'er.

Just... please try to read what I say before you make me waste my time explaining what I mean.

oh and no, I am not 14/15, but you're right I never SAW Favre in his glory days, but I'm not retarted and I actually do read things. So yes, I perfectly understand that he was a fantastic QB.
Yeah, I read it, and you wrote it in a very unclear manner. And do you read what I wrote? Was I not the one who brought up Favre's interceptions?

Go figure... A Favre hater who never saw the real Favre play.
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Yeah, I read it, and you wrote it in a very unclear manner. And do you read what I wrote? Was I not the one who brought up Favre's interceptions?

Go figure... A Favre hater who never saw the real Favre play.
I'm not a Favre hater.

oh and I'm European, so watching Football is kinda hard out here. But I appreciate your lack of interest to find out why I didn't watch Favre play.

oh the unclear writing is a result of me having slept about 7 to 8 hours this weekend. Lowlands festival.
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